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Old 12-14-2011, 10:26 PM   #2971
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Re: Anyone to ask about living in the Philippines?

so that link says as long as i have less than 300 grams on me (which i would never have more than 14 or so) i wont get a 12 year prison sentence, lol

it really doesnt mention anything for smaller amounts


a couple other quick questions, how do you get your money over there? i wouldnt really want to travel with my entire net worth, and do they take a percent if you transfer it or just a set fee?

and if taking a train in manilla is it going to be like those super packed no room to move scenarios like u always see on tv with azn people jammed into them?
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:37 PM   #2972
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it really doesnt mention anything for smaller amounts
So for the amount posted, the sentence is LIFE IN PRISON, as in the rest of your life, and you're still asking about getting caught with smaller amounts.

I gave you the, likely, best case scenario for getting caught with any amount, in my last post. You would probably either have to pay a bribe, or do some time in jail. Depending on what cop catches you.

A slap on the wrist only? Don't expect it with even the smallest amount, unless you get very lucky.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:39 PM   #2973
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Your going to be ****ed 99% of the time.

By ****ed i mean you either going to have to pay a big ****ing fine or your going to be facing Jail time.

I think they are more tolerant to drugs in Thailand you should try there first.

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Old 12-15-2011, 03:03 AM   #2974
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Re: Anyone to ask about living in the Philippines?

hmmm thailand thread says possession of any amount is a 5 year prison sentence, and they also said they sometimes randomly drug test at clubs and u can get a year for just testing positive.... so thailand is out

and ITT 500 grams is quite a bit and there is a huge difference between that and getting caught with a joint, im sure it wouldnt be a pleasant experience but im just wondering if its gonna be a 1 night stay or months, as that is a huge difference as well
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:20 AM   #2975
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hmmm thailand thread says possession of any amount is a 5 year prison sentence, and they also said they sometimes randomly drug test at clubs and u can get a year for just testing positive.... so thailand is out

and ITT 500 grams is quite a bit and there is a huge difference between that and getting caught with a joint, im sure it wouldnt be a pleasant experience but im just wondering if its gonna be a 1 night stay or months, as that is a huge difference as well
Sorry I did not paste the complete section 11 because I thought that it would make the thread too long, and I guess you could extrapolate from the first part that the PUNISHMENT IS EXAGGERATED, but it seems that I must paste it anyway.

Minimum sentence in Philippines is 12 YEARS and 1 day for drug possession for the most minute amount. Like I said, most probable sentence you get is LIFE IMPRISONMENT because of the grey area "regardless of the degree of purity thereof". The fine is ADDED on top of the prison term, which would be probably the last thing on your mind after having a guilty verdict. (see the last paragraph)

Section 11. Possession of Dangerous Drugs. - The penalty of life imprisonment to death and a fine ranging from Five hundred thousand pesos (P500,000.00) to Ten million pesos (P10,000,000.00) shall be imposed upon any person, who, unless authorized by law, shall possess any dangerous drug in the following quantities, regardless of the degree of purity thereof:

(1) 10 grams or more of opium;

(2) 10 grams or more of morphine;

(3) 10 grams or more of heroin;

(4) 10 grams or more of cocaine or cocaine hydrochloride;

(5) 50 grams or more of methamphetamine hydrochloride or "shabu";

(6) 10 grams or more of marijuana resin or marijuana resin oil;

(7) 500 grams or more of marijuana; and

(8) 10 grams or more of other dangerous drugs such as, but not limited to, methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDA) or "ecstasy", paramethoxyamphetamine (PMA), trimethoxyamphetamine (TMA), lysergic acid diethylamine (LSD), gamma hydroxyamphetamine (GHB), and those similarly designed or newly introduced drugs and their derivatives, without having any therapeutic value or if the quantity possessed is far beyond therapeutic requirements, as determined and promulgated by the Board in accordance to Section 93, Article XI of this Act.

Otherwise, if the quantity involved is less than the foregoing quantities, the penalties shall be graduated as follows:

(1) Life imprisonment and a fine ranging from Four hundred thousand pesos (P400,000.00) to Five hundred thousand pesos (P500,000.00), if the quantity of methamphetamine hydrochloride or "shabu" is ten (10) grams or more but less than fifty (50) grams;

(2) Imprisonment of twenty (20) years and one (1) day to life imprisonment and a fine ranging from Four hundred thousand pesos (P400,000.00) to Five hundred thousand pesos (P500,000.00), if the quantities of dangerous drugs are five (5) grams or more but less than ten (10) grams of opium, morphine, heroin, cocaine or cocaine hydrochloride, marijuana resin or marijuana resin oil, methamphetamine hydrochloride or "shabu", or other dangerous drugs such as, but not limited to, MDMA or "ecstasy", PMA, TMA, LSD, GHB, and those similarly designed or newly introduced drugs and their derivatives, without having any therapeutic value or if the quantity possessed is far beyond therapeutic requirements; or three hundred (300) grams or more but less than five (hundred) 500) grams of marijuana; and

(3) Imprisonment of twelve (12) years and one (1) day to twenty (20) years and a fine ranging from Three hundred thousand pesos (P300,000.00) to Four hundred thousand pesos (P400,000.00), if the quantities of dangerous drugs are less than five (5) grams of opium, morphine, heroin, cocaine or cocaine hydrochloride, marijuana resin or marijuana resin oil, methamphetamine hydrochloride or "shabu", or other dangerous drugs such as, but not limited to, MDMA or "ecstasy", PMA, TMA, LSD, GHB, and those similarly designed or newly introduced drugs and their derivatives, without having any therapeutic value or if the quantity possessed is far beyond therapeutic requirements; or less than three hundred (300) grams of marijuana.



So there is only 1 rule. DONT GET CAUGHT.
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:25 AM   #2976
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Re: Anyone to ask about living in the Philippines?

Pretty sure that there's no more death penalty here, but it doesn't really matter since Philippine prison is worse than death.

Also pretty sure that kick2dante, given his intelligence level, will very likely end up in prison, if not broke/dead/both.
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:16 PM   #2977
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Thanks for the advice guys. Probably do drugs once every three months or so in UK. Gonna give it a complete miss for the time im in manila now.
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Old 12-15-2011, 01:33 PM   #2978
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Thanks for the advice guys. Probably do drugs once every three months or so in UK. Gonna give it a complete miss for the time im in manila now.
Not necessarily, just make sure you are not in a public place. And only with your trusted friends/family. As to acquiring it, also make sure your info comes from trusted friends/family.
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Old 12-15-2011, 02:02 PM   #2979
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Re: Anyone to ask about living in the Philippines?

im in makati until monday morning. if anyone wants to meet up let me know. especially hitting up the casino/ I'm staying in central makati in like tourist area. berjaya inn and citadel, .

email me at jonathan_yueh@hotmail.com

will have a phone number by tmr
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Old 12-15-2011, 08:05 PM   #2980
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wow when i read it the first time i thought it said 12 years for 300 grams, not less than 300 grams

so if u get caught with a joint u get 12 years in prison? ugh

and thanks for the support paulB its cool u can tell how someones life will play out based on a few posts on a message board

i am as paranoid and cautious of a stoner as u will find which is why i keep asking all these questions about it
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Old 12-15-2011, 10:36 PM   #2981
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and thanks for the support paulB its cool u can tell how someones life will play out based on a few posts on a message board

i am as paranoid and cautious of a stoner as u will find which is why i keep asking all these questions about it
Yeah, he understands that, as do we all. And we were all trying to be helpful originally, but it started to seem like you just kept asking the same question over and over even when we answered it for you again and again, just because you didn't like what we had to say.

Anyway, it seems like you now, finally, understand, that's good.
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:55 AM   #2982
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Re: Anyone to ask about living in the Philippines?

i just find it really hard to believe that if you get caught with a tiny amount u get locked up for 12 years which means i would kill myself, seems a bit harsh
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Old 12-16-2011, 02:45 AM   #2983
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Re: Anyone to ask about living in the Philippines?

At least in Thailand, official rules are very strict, but corruption is so rampant you will almost certainly get away with it if you float enough cash quickly enough. For a little bit of weed, you are looking at $150-$2000 bribe (depending on location, timing, and circumstances) and they don't take credit cards. My guess is that 99% of foreigners who end up serving any time in Thai jail are hardheaded, brain dead, or simply poor... or they let things got along way too far into the process to the point where the payoff ceased to be an option. (or they were legitimate criminals with lots of drugs)

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i just find it really hard to believe that if you get caught with a tiny amount u get locked up for 12 years which means i would kill myself, seems a bit harsh
If you miss your chance to pay cops off, you will be heading to court and judges tend to be lenient in the sense that instead of 12 years, they will give you 2-3 years or whatever. If the judge doesn't like you, it could be full sentence. (if for example, you are black or something.) The educated, upper class that will be judging you are not really keen on having foreigner drug users come to their countries to do drugs.

And when they give you 2-3 years - they ARE being lenient. In the early 2000, an unofficial mandate came down in Thailand where the cops basically executed _thousands_ of Thai drug dealers and users. No trial, no investigations, no nothing. The dead bodies just started appearing.

Also, in Thailand you go to jail first, and then you wait for your trial which could be months and sometimes 1 year+ from the date of your arrest.

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Not necessarily, just make sure you are not in a public place. And only with your trusted friends/family. As to acquiring it, also make sure your info comes from trusted friends/family.
The problem with this common sense advice is that new comers do not have 'trusted friends/family' in a foreign country they have never visited. You don't make trusted friends over night...

In general, if you are not living somewhere permanently, know people, know the rules, repercussions, outcomes, solutions, options - you should live your life as straight-arrow as you can. Otherwise, things will catch up to you as you relax and drop the ball at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Old 12-16-2011, 02:46 AM   #2984
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i just find it really hard to believe that if you get caught with a tiny amount u get locked up for 12 years which means i would kill myself, seems a bit harsh
I think your missing the point what everyone is saying here. Your not actually going to go to court.

Whats going to happen if your busted with a tiny amount is the Police Office is going to take you to your hotel room/apartment/jail and he will tell you that you have to pay a "fine". The longer you delay or the stupider you are the "fine" keeps on rising and rising and rising.
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Old 12-16-2011, 03:22 AM   #2985
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Well if you have 0 street smarts you will be ****ed very hard in a very short time in Manila

Nothing goes by any system or procedure, because the system doesn't work

Just common sense

If it wasn't understood, what ever the police catch you with or doing, will go off record. Whether it's a girl setting up an assault/rape scheme, drugs in your pocket - or them dropping drugs in your pocket, or whatever they invent you being guilty off,- because those things happen - will be dealt with in private. If police are gonna fine you, there won't be a report or a prosecution, they'll deal with u in private and chop it up with acquaintances.
When you know of the possibility of these things happening, you can anticipate such situations. Stay low key, trust no-one, protect yourself and you'll be fine...

Plenty smoke weed and even it's unlikely you'll be patted down, it's just common sense you do not carry anything of high value or risk at any time when something like that is plausible to occur. Whether it be bundles of money, pills, joints or creditcards/passport. When you go out to random places just have a little bit of cash and 0 id.

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