If you have links... just share them! Given the fact that this is a new topic, brought about by you, you could probably just share the links without the sarcasm.

So basically if above number would be 4000 and murder rate would be x times higher according to published reports you would have a different stance is what you are saying..

Even the senator's numbers were inconsistent with those published by the police. It's fair to assume they shouldn't be given much credit.
I didn't imply that you are in any way defending anything here but even "if" for some reason the murder rate magically didn't increase significantly, stating that "you'd see the majority of those deaths anyways" strikes me as if you are the kind of person who "lives in a bubble".
Have you actually been anywhere near where this is taking place?

Yes. If any of the news articles tried to say "murder rate doubled after president takes office" that'd be very different from "lots dead in Philippines after president takes office" Lots of people die in the Philippines. If an article read "murder rate rises 10%" then that'd be good journalism as well.



I never said that these people "live in a bubble"; that's very different from what I said. It's a bit nuanced, I'll give you that, but it's very different. And no, stating that in the manner I did is in no way living in a bubble.

Yes I have been near.

Sorry - you are right. I've been posting the politics forum too much. Sarcasm completely unwarranted.

Full list by the enquirer of all the suspected killings they know about.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/794598/...-drugs-duterte


Human rights watch - Philippines page. One of the best Human Rights organizations out there. They also document (and it can be found through that link) the extra judicial killings Duterte was responsible for in Davao - including references to him admitting it.

https://www.hrw.org/asia/philippines


Also this page

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/08/22/...accountability

addresses your points

I've been reading the local news for tagalog practice, and I've gotton very good at translating variations of

"A suspected drug pusher was killed last night in fight with police. Police say the suspect drew on them and fired first. A gun was recovered from the scene. Speaking on condition of anonymity, a relative of the man killed vehemently deny that he owned a gun."

and

"A man was killed by unknown assailants last night, riding on motorcycles. The victim had appeared on the police list of suspected drug pushers. The victims wife denied that the man had ever been a dealer, but was instead just a recreational user of shabu"

The case of Renato and Jaypee Bertes

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story...police-station

Killed, inside the police station, while "going for the policemans gun"

Except the forensics report show that the men were so badly beaten with a blunt object before the shooting, resulting in a broken arm - and that there's no possible way they could have posed a threat.

http://manila.coconuts.co/2016/08/20...nd-do-not-pose

Surprisingly enough, the police were suspended in this case, but only because of the clear evidence. Something you dont get in the hundreds of other "going for my gun!" cases.

Thanks Rugby, will have to look at those later. Your quote there is already the best journalism I've seen on the topic (referring to all of the drug war, not just police) so far.

No problem. There's a reason for that. Most journalists are terrified.

All the major foreign news outlets should be fine, they're just awful.

Any good rooms in Cebu? I heard Waterfront was best but a Korean friend just said they only one table open now and it's run by Koreans. True? If so what are the best options?

Unfortunately there are no good options for live-poker in Cebu aside from private games.

I'm thinking of going to Phils for the first time. Does it feel more dangerous for foreigners than before Duterte's war on drugs?

Edit: from your personal experience, not statistics

Well it's pretty much impossible for it to be any safer than it was before. Thus the best it can be is about the same as it was before.

When the only two options are 'same as before,' or 'worse than before,' that's not a very nice position to be in is it? Because you can't really win...you can only hold even or lose.

BGP's kind of glossing over that aspect of it.

Itt I suggest you reread my posts as you still seem confused about what I was saying.

Also it is entirely possible that this has made things safer for foreigners.

Your stance seems to be that there is no sufficient evidence/you are not sufficiently convinced that there has been any significant increase in murders or danger levels in the Philippines since Duterte has taken office.

If that's your stance, then I'm not confused by it.

Definitively proving this has made things safer for foreigners would be just as difficult as us definitively proving there has been a significant increase in murders, if not even more difficult. But I'm interested in hearing your opinion/theory on why that may be the case. Uh...genuinely I mean, not being sarcastic.

Personally if my increased safety in the Philippines comes at the decreased safety of some native Filipinos, I'm not really proud of that fact. I guess I'd have to take it, but I'd have a bad taste in my mouth about it.

No. My point was that media headlines were taking advantage of the fact that no one had any idea just how ****ty Philippines was before duterte took office. It's all there, reread the posts.

How about we agree that's also your point. It definitely is, and you're right that you have been saying that. You've also said you're not convinced that murders in Philippines have risen significantly since Duterte took office from what they were before.

By the way you could be right about that, then again so could we. It's a third world country the margin of error on what's reported can swing pretty wide. Even with the numbers we have it's hard to really know for sure which one of us is right about this.

Thus in that sense maybe Kappa is right and we should base most of our decisions off of anecdotal feelings of foreigners currently living there. If they say still feels about the same as before, well then there you go I guess.

Yes those two points go together. I meant my main point was what I just said. Getting pedantic though.


Feels safe.

I you smoke a drug dealer as a foreigner, do you get the Philippine equivalent of the Thai elite card or something?

bomb gone off in davao.

sigh. super safe though. **** ever going to the south

Hope everyone here okay..

http://cnnphilippines.com/regional/2...avao-City.html

awful

Hasn't been long since I posted above. Not there yet, but possibly close to coming! After martial law, comes dictatorship ala Marcos.

Think I'm saying I'm Canadian if anyone asks during the next few weeks.

i wonder if D will personally insult Xi Jinping. The Chinese, bkth government and people, would take that a lot more personally than Americans.

Just remember to toss in an eh every now and again at the end of sentences. Doesn't even need to only be at the end of questions, any sentence will do apparently.