Day 1b of ME. Villain is an older guy. Seemed pretty tight and wasn't involved in many hands so thats what made this decision even harder because I had a read on everyone else except for him. All I know is that he wasn't good.

I have been fairly active. Raising a lot both post and pre flop and being aggressive overall.

This is the third level blinds are 150 - 300. I have about 26k so thats about 86 BB's.

UTG + 2 limps, UTG+3 (Villain) limps, I limp in Hijack with Qd8d, BB checks.

Flop comes 9hTcJc (1350)

BB checks, UTG+2 bets 600 (he was playing very LAG), Villain flats, I raise to 1500, UTG+2 calls, and to my surprise villain makes it 11k.

Hero??? I tanked forever.

If I fold i still have about 24k left which isn't bad and I can try to make it thru day 1 and find better spots.

Calling leaves me with 14k. I thought about calling in case he had KQ, that way if the board pairs and he checks I can shove and try to rep a boat.

And of course there is shoving the rest in and hoping to get called by worse.

Thoughts?

probably not folding you lose to KQ and there are FDs/Set that still would do this.

Fold pre. As played shove and expect to get called by worse.

and this I just have no words for:

no.

I would think he would raise pre with 9s-Js but some might people might limp. Very odd he wouldnt raise flop initially with kq but I still don't think he's going to do this without the nuts.

Seeing some of the hands on poker news I know people show up with weird crap. Unless you've seen him make constant overbets, I would let this go. A tight player is happy to call with flush draws and won't overplay 78 or set on this board on limped pot.

Fold preflop. Fold to overbet. Without read, he shouldn't be doing that with a set or combo draw. Think he has nuts and is protecting it against draws. Probably some nit afraid to be outdrawn. Don't get manipulated into playing for stacks.

if he was worried about being outdrawn he would reraise vs a small 600 bet multiway on this board bc by just calling he allows all draws to just call.

Kinda gross but too strong to fold I think. Your raisesize on the flop is way too small for this kind of texture over such a small bet and a call. I'd play 2200 for the raisesize and go broke unless two people are overexcited and get it in.

Why are you guys wanting to fold preflop?

Both of these.

+1

Not folding preflop, either. Too many clowns in this circus.

wouldnt mind raising pre.......as played I think its a fold - we're a dog to sets/kq obv, and even throwing in one 2 pr combo I think we're around a flip.....alot of older live guys aren't doing this with bottom 2 pr/worse imo in the wsop main

yeah, don't see the big deal about pre. I know people want to exclude KQ because he didn't raise initially. You need to loosen your assumptions when dealing with randoms since some people don't event want to get it on this board with the stone cold nuts vs a flush draw. Or he might also just be thinking he's slowplaying and it'll be too obvious if he raises this board that he has the nuts.

Example, 1K WSOP tourney, guy calls a raise with Q9s and flops 810Jdd. Guy goes all in and then asian guy with the nuts ask, does he have me covered? Dealer counts the chips and then after deliberating for 20 seconds, he calls. He then runs over to his buddies railing him and excitedly says, "i flop the nuts but flush draw scare me."

If you're read is he's a maniac and not scared money, then yeah, snap call. Based on read that he's tight player, snap fold.

Why r we a dog to sets? Tough spot, I think old man rivers could easily take this line with 78 suited tho

We have 33% equity against KQ,JJ,TT,99

forgot about 78 and cant edit my post - die