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WSOP Main Event - BVB vs. Dominik Nitsche WSOP Main Event - BVB vs. Dominik Nitsche

07-14-2014 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
really stupid to get in a spot oop vs the only winning player at the table in the super slow and deep main with A9o PRE ANTE. idc what silly calculations you can do or assume about his range here to prove its a small amount +cev.
Unlike you that had Faraz Jaka to your right, I had a very tough player to my left.

It was never my intention to get in a dumb spot with the best player at the table and it's not my personality to get engaged in an ego war at poker table (quite the opposite) but I felt as if I was being handcuffed and this table wasn't going to break all day as I was in Amazon, so basically I felt as if I wouldn't be able to play any pots in position and would just be reduced to calling his 3bets OOP all day long, where he could prolly play close to perfectly against me postflop.

I 3-bet to 5400, Dominik calls.

Flop is 442 rainbow. Hero?
07-14-2014 , 09:32 PM
its the second level of a 7 day tourney. why are you getting pressured into a panic by one player?
07-14-2014 , 10:36 PM
If you're not going to jam turn don't c-bet.

If you're not going to c-bet and jam turn, don't 4-bet.

If he's really 3-betting 75% (hint: he isn't), call the 3-bet and pretend you were defending your BB vs a BU raise.
07-14-2014 , 11:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cicakman
its the second level of a 7 day tourney. why are you getting pressured into a panic by one player?
+1
07-15-2014 , 02:06 AM
Really good old tightening up when smart aggro is on your left should work here. "Handcuffed" seems like a sure exaggeration, you have more than 100bbs in super soft slow field pre antes, bubble or payouts are nowhere near, just nit it up and start folding/limping a lot of small blinds to him.

As played, I don't see him calling this huge 4-bet of yours without a strong range or just out of pure spite to float you and outplay you. I would just give up now.
07-15-2014 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bikram
It was never my intention to get in a dumb spot with the best player at the table and it's not my personality to get engaged in an ego war at poker table (quite the opposite) ........ so basically I felt as if I wouldn't be able to play any pots in position and would just be reduced to calling his 3bets OOP ALL NIGHT LONG, ALL NIIIIIGHT... where he could prolly play close to perfectly against me postflop.


Im quite positive there`re spots when player on your left loses his positional advantage. I know its hard to believe for rookie and my english isn`t perfect, but prolly someone else could explain this concept.

srsly might be worst explanation of misplayed hand esp from DEEP thinking reg.

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Originally Posted by bikram
I 4-bet to 5400, Dominik calls.

Flop is 442 rainbow. Hero?
You actually got a good texture. Play it like an overpair now.
07-15-2014 , 02:32 AM
Limp/call preflop seems best. Open fold from the SB is awful.

Once raised, close between fold, call, and 4b. Not sure about 4b sizing. It could look weak given dynamics, but he may not bluff 5b it much.

Can't avoid getting into fights with this player if he keeps 3-betting you.

No comment on postflop.
07-15-2014 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
If you're not going to jam turn don't c-bet.

If you're not going to c-bet and jam turn, don't 4-bet.

If he's really 3-betting 75% (hint: he isn't), call the 3-bet and pretend you were defending your BB vs a BU raise.
some sense into this thread

I wouldn't cbet this texture , he's giving up <10% of the hands he called your massive 4bet with , hence why NSB's advice is pretty good

Last edited by aseHigh; 07-15-2014 at 03:07 AM. Reason: r/f pre is not that bad, find a better hand to defend your sb opens
07-15-2014 , 07:01 AM
What does dominik have though
And why do we assume hea floating flop if hes not strong
07-15-2014 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by aseHigh
hence why NSB's advice is pretty good
Pretty sure NSB said we have to c-bet, once we 4-bet. Seems to be a contradiction here in what you're saying.
07-15-2014 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lissistinkt
What does dominik have though
And why do we assume hea floating flop if hes not strong
I'd guess Dominik's range here is something like AQ+ AJs 88 or 99+ maybe KQs KJs depending on how much villain has been folding to 3-bets. I wouldn't expect him to fold good ace high to a small c-bet given the dynamic, but vs a random jamming in their tournament life on the turn in the WSOP I'd expect him to fold enough of his range to make it profitable to go small c-bet/large turn jam, UNLESS

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Originally Posted by bikram
Pretty sure NSB said we have to c-bet, once we 4-bet. Seems to be a contradiction here in what you're saying.
No, I'm saying if it's not profitable to bet/jam this texture, don't 4-bet. If you seem fed up and he thinks you're ready to tool out (and SB vs BB is a pretty ideal situation for that), then you shouldn't be 4-betting.
07-16-2014 , 12:37 AM
Limp/fold or open fold pre seems fine you're 125 BB deep and he's going to bloat the pot almost always it seems. A9o is trash OOP vs an excellent player this deep who is possibly being overly aggro vs you.
07-16-2014 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
I'd guess Dominik's range here is something like AQ+ AJs 88 or 99+ maybe KQs KJs depending on how much villain has been folding to 3-bets. I wouldn't expect him to fold good ace high to a small c-bet given the dynamic, but vs a random jamming in their tournament life on the turn in the WSOP I'd expect him to fold enough of his range to make it profitable to go small c-bet/large turn jam, UNLESS
So, you think the key as to whether it will be profitable to do small c-bet/large turn jam will hinge on whether he senses that I'm just trying to make a play or not? You think there's a possibility that he could make a pretty light call to turn jam because of dynamic?
07-16-2014 , 01:08 AM
would def wanna be limping 100% of my range if u feel like ur getting caged too hard by a good player on ur left
07-16-2014 , 02:33 AM
Distract villain with Asian girls preflop.
07-16-2014 , 05:07 AM
Going to war 2nd level of the WSOP ME OOP vs Dominik Nitsche with A9o seems like a disaster no matter how you look at it. But having said that if we're going to make this a 3b pot going to the flop I'd much rather be the one with initiative (l/rr) than the one without.

Otherwise, l/c while seems pretty passive, is the best plan because you stand to lose the least, and really A9o has bad reverse implied odds anyway even if you hit.
07-16-2014 , 05:53 AM
You guys can't be ****ing serious with trying to find a way to fold A9 pre bvb. What year is this?
07-16-2014 , 06:00 AM
Level 2 of the main vs someone you're outclassed vs and when you're not real solid post? Whats the point?
07-16-2014 , 07:04 AM
lol @ folding pre

the feeling must be so f***** greating playing at the WSOP!

I don't hate calling the 3-bet , but i'd much rather 4-bet here and take the initiative , will c-bet 100% of my range OTF.
07-16-2014 , 07:14 AM
It's not the Big 109 it's the WSOP main event pretty deep stacked, and lo and behold hero is putting in heaps with A9o pre and sending his variance through the roof and putting himself in an awful spot where a post flop mistake will get him owned if he's not willing to play for stacks.

Even if you have the tiniest of edge with A9o pre vs a really good pro why take it when there should be dozens of better spots available down the road. If Dominic is owning you with 3b then instead of opening as much as you are just open like 10% of hands so that he will have to go to war with the top of your range. Folding pre here is like what like an immediate $3 chip EV loss with tons of reverse implied odds so whoop de do.
07-16-2014 , 09:18 AM
+1
07-16-2014 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Level 2 of the main vs someone you're outclassed vs and when you're not real solid post? Whats the point?
I admit I'm outclassed by Dominik but I'm a winning 5/10 and 2/5 deepstacked cash player. My postflop game is solid, not crushing, but solid.
07-16-2014 , 10:41 AM
one of the benefits of developing a limping range is strengthening your raising range (if you're playing a mixed strat).

if i'm limping and he's still not respecting my open raises, then i certainly prefer a mixed strat to a pure open lmp strat.

in practice, i usually start pure lmp until i get a feel for who i'm playing against- how they react to limps and play postflop.

personally, if i'm in the bb and someone is open limping the sb and we're deeper than 30 bb (and i don't respect them), i'll start mr the bb to parse out their ranges and prevent them from cbetting like every board w/ a range that might include the top of their pf range against my range that doesn't.

can't remember where i got that idea- Chidwick maybe? anyway, i find it to be pretty effective- esp against players who are unfamiliar w/ that strat. they tend to give me MUCH more credit pf and otf than i deserve (i guess cause i'm reopening the action pf w/ a bet that doesn't look like its designed to ever get a fold). the shorter you are, the easier it is for them to l/rr, so it can neg affect the amnt of eq u realize if you continue to do it at shorter stack depths

Last edited by potbets; 07-16-2014 at 11:05 AM.
07-16-2014 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bikram
I admit I'm outclassed by Dominik but I'm a winning 5/10 and 2/5 deepstacked cash player. My postflop game is solid, not crushing, but solid.
yeah and you look like a solid pro as well srsly



Spoiler:
why are you saying this bs brother?
07-16-2014 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bikram
I admit I'm outclassed by Dominik but I'm a winning 5/10 and 2/5 deepstacked cash player. My postflop game is solid, not crushing, but solid.
I mean, you 4b to 27bb

      
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