History/Reads:

We're about 20 minutes into the tournament. Not many hands have been played, but the table is playing pretty loose/bad.

SB is a 50 year old guy who hasn't done anything out of the ordinary. Seen a couple flops, not taking down any pots or anything. He doesn't seem like the type to flat QQ+ in the SB after all this action, but I don't really have anything to prove that statement.

CO is a young guy named Cody who is very much a live player. He can think things through but he calls too much, bet sizes are off, etc.

I've played a couple pots, and lost a few hundred raising then C betting and giving up in one spot. Starting stack was 4000.

My stack: 3400. SB: 3900. CO: 2800. Blinds 25/50.
I hold JT on the HJ.

Preflop: Folds to MP1, MP1 raises to 150, folds to me on the HJ, I call, CO calls, button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 3 3 A
Everyone checks.

Turn: K
Everyone checks.

River: Q
SB bets 300, folds to me, I raise to 900, CO thinks for a while, doesn't look particularly sure about himself, and calls, button folds. SB thinks for 15 seconds, then makes it 2300, hero?

It looks like SB could've been hoping 1 of the 5 (!!!) other people in the hand would bet the flop or turn, so the question would be does he have trip 3's, a fullhouse (A3, K3, Q3, or QQ), or quads. With so many chips in the pot already and not really having to worry that the CO has you beat, I think the odds would make this a call.

I'd call and expect to chop a fair amount. The thing is there just aren't many fullhouses that make sense (A3) and the price is too good. I call but don't feel good about it.

Lol yeah, I forgot about chop, I just realized all 3 of them can easily have the same hand here.

Villain is ~50 with a zillion BBs in front of him - in a limped pot, he'll call more or less anything pf with a 3x and three flats in front of him.

Our decision should be based way more on the question of whether he three-bets worse on the the river, rather than trying to work out what he gets to the river with - because that's pretty much anything IMO, certainly literally any combination sooted.

i think this is a pretty clear fold

i don't wanna sound like daniel negreanu or anything but 50 year old live players that you haven't noticed do anything yet just don't reraise non full house hands here in the first level very often, cutoff might have JT but i think SB is full or quads

sb's far and away most likely hand(and what he has just about everytime if u ask me) is a3. i would snap snap snap fold this.

EDIT: eh the a3 can't be suited, k3s or q3s might be more likely. either way he has a boat too often to consider calling.

smoke more weed turtle, srsly smoke more weed

I'd fold this without much thought.

Fold.

I guess you and CO had the same hand.

SB may have A3 or K3, maybe 33. Assume the 50tish live player SB had a naked 3, he could have planned to CR the flop, since no one bet the flop, he'd bet the turn unless he made a boat there. Given he checked twice and bet/3bet the river, he believed he had the best hand either on the flop or at the turn, that range >> our hand.

Again, this is from a general read, but who knows, a bad player could play TJ, trip 3s this way too.

On your side, against two guys, you are overcalling for a chop. If you fold, with the remaining stack at this level, you still have a shot. Fold.

I fold this. The SB re-re-raised the river..... wtf? Very confusing, but I fold this. I think a full house is much more likely than JT. A3, K3, Q3, 33, I would rule out QQ.
When you re-raise he would have to be thinking that he JT might not be good if he was a somewhat thinking player.

aside from random braincramps anyone that calls here is setting large amounts of money on fire

note: anyone that calls with A3 here is also setting said money on fire

lol what?

adanthar, bond should fold a3? whaat?

...what?

was assuming you were stoned when saying A3 could not be suited...