Dont know if this belongs here, as while the buyin is 1000, the level of play in tournament is fairly horrible. I primarily play cash so this spot might seem LOL to most of you with more tournament experience, but was questionable to me....

Day 2 of the 1k and we are down to about 180/2799 players remaining. In the money and all that. I just got moved to this table two hands before and dont know any of the players. I cover the table with about 115k. Next biggest stack is Villain 1 who is with 90k. Blinds 800/1600. I am in BB.

Folds to Villain 1(white male in his mid sixties) on the Button. He raises to 3600.
Villain 2 in SB goes all in for 7200. I 4bet to 10800 in BB with AKo.
There is then some slight controversy where Villain 1 questions if I put in enough for a legal raise. After its confirmed I have the right amount in he says "OK I just wanted to make sure he didnt have to add more chips...it doesnt really matter...I raise" and puts in two stacks of yellows making it a bit over 40k to go. I.....?

Villain has never played with me, but I am mid twenties white male wearing a hoody, so he may assume I am aggro kid.

This is KK+ often enough to snapfold here and exploit the weakspots at the table with your big stack.

did you say mid-sixties? I fold and cuss under my breath.

pretty sick spot actually. awesome sizing by villain + that speech makes him just so nut heavy... Its really hard to find a fold with an ace and a king tho in case there is any random spaz factor going on, etc...

i fold and take a note on villain, you really cant be good here, no point in flipping now anyways

seems like a 5bet to 40k with only 50k behind wants the action(includes all ages: 21-65+). He'd probably be jamming JJ-QQ, AK here with 56BB to start hand. So what combos does he have left to put 44% of stack in pf and play post-flop with here? He is committed and never folding, discount our outs with SB shove(even though its probably something like 77-1010, AJo+, KQs), if you want to be over-optimistic go ahead and discount AA and KK from his range since we have AK, so at best we are up against 1010, JJ and QQ, and AK; worse we are up against AA, KK. Seems like a sick spot. I'd probably fold, but some could find a reason to boss up and shove AK into KK and plow the A on the river like a boss, and go on to ship tourney with massive stack.

You classify yourself as primarily a cash game player, with that knowledge I'd advocate you shove on him. If you were/are confident in your tournament end game then fold and play on.

Given description I fold and don't feel too bad about it.

fold

Does everyone like the CIB iso, or is a larger raise or flat better?


Notice the speech and the large 5-bet. Often a lot of talking means a big hand. Can't see he ever does this with anything you are ahead of.

Also, he is only winning a small sidepot and isolating if you fold. Plus he make is almost 4x and should be committing his whole stack. So he can never be bluffing and it doesn't make sense to make this play without JJ/AK minimum.

good thing you'll get to see what he had...bad thing you may not like it.

Possible to fold face up here.

OP usually isn't making this iso without some kind of value hand, possibly as weak as AJ/88, even suited broadway or whatever, but not a bluff. Then the guy makes a 4x 5-bet. Can't see him showing AQ here much. A player like this probably folds AQ to a cold 4-bet in a protected pot. Not sure many 2+2ers 5-bet light in his situation.

It's so close... Probably flip a coin and decide, or try to pick up a tell on him.

If what another poster said about your endgame -- ie, you said you play tons of cash and don't have lots of lategame tourney experience, your chip stack doesn't really matter as much. If that's the case then it's meh, but pile in some chips (all of your chips). Some live players mistake a min 4bet like that to be nothing and always plow in with it.

Realistically, I don't think you run into AA or KK as often as people are saying you do, basing that entirely off the fact that he actually did say the words "it doesn't matter, i raise"

Maybe he thought you didn't want to raise and accidentally did that or something...

But if you are a really experienced tournament player, I'd say to fold and crush souls with smallball. If not, maybe now is a better time to play a big pot than later on to turn this into more of a cash game dynamic for you.

This speech is the tell, Joban. Fold everytime here.