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Old 05-30-2012, 09:52 PM   #16
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

hand 1 is an easy shove i think...2 is a little closer but still get it in...3 i would prob flip a coin
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Old 05-30-2012, 11:44 PM   #17
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

1- I'd reship
2- I'd go based on my read, could easily be a call, usually a fold for the same reasons I'm about to give for #3
3- Always fold and I wouldn't think twice about it either. I'm assuming your table has lots of soft spots on it. I'd much rather use those 15 BBs to minraise 7 times then to call off hoping for a race. While calling is probably slightly +EV being able to minraise the next 7 times it folds to you in LP without looking is probably more.
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:35 AM   #18
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

What players and stack sizes are on the BTN-BB in hand 2? Seems like it should affect how 3b views your opening range pretty significantly imo
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:03 AM   #19
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

1) 70k
2) fold
3) call
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:12 AM   #20
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

I thought your bustout hand was fairly interesting
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:22 AM   #21
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1) 70k
2) fold
3) call
pretty much my thoughts except, hand 2 and 3 can go either way.

Shouldn't be entirely readless in hand 3, you should be able to tell at least something about villiands openjamming range based on their appearance.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:54 AM   #22
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I thought your bustout hand was fairly interesting
bleh not that interesting I made some assumptions at the time that I now think are incorrect and I really dislike it tbh.. I think b/f is much better than c/r upon reflection..

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1) 70k
2) fold
3) call
I assume 70k/c
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:33 AM   #23
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

yes of course call, just want to pretend ur re-isoing i guess. Maybe he can put you on some KJs KQo ATo type stuff (which might make a hypothetical 70K ISO/fold) or something

if u jam its pretty likely he will fold 99- AJ- but with the small iso line, he might level himself into jamming

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Old 05-31-2012, 05:14 AM   #24
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yes of course call, just want to pretend ur re-isoing i guess. Maybe he can put you on some KJs KQo ATo type stuff (which might make a hypothetical 70K ISO/fold) or something

if u jam its pretty likely he will fold 99- AJ- but with the small iso line, he might level himself into jamming
i kind of think the opposite that the guy is more likely to call with 99-AQ if you jam. i think it makes it pretty easy or easier to hero fold if we make it 70k.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:44 AM   #25
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i kind of think the opposite that the guy is more likely to call with 99-AQ if you jam. i think it makes it pretty easy or easier to hero fold if we make it 70k.
I said AJ- 99- I'm not sure why you quoted me and referenced AQ... of course I'm making an educated guess and its less reliable the closer to the upper bound of the range you get. My response wasn't meant for the hands on the exact upper bound of the range, but the range as a whole.. my point was that hes not calling a Jam with Q8s (even if we look "weaker") but he may shove this if there is an illusion of fold equity.

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Old 06-03-2012, 08:20 PM   #26
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

Raise but don't shove hand 1, folding 2.

3 is the closest by far, and I think I'm probably going to table stacksizes/dynamics for a tiebreaker.
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OP said was playing high vpip, folding AJ suited is wrong, folding 66 to the CO is weak..hand 1is closest... i wouldnt fold, but i wouldn't shove i would just call pre no reason to give up pos...other two are fist pumps

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Old 06-04-2012, 05:55 AM   #28
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

Raise 1 to something then call
Fold 2
Call 3
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:59 AM   #29
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

Hand 1: call or ship. A raise after he intended to raise looks strong IMO. If you ship it looks more iso than strength.

Hand 2: fold

Hand 3: all depends on how much you have left.. But I'm ok with a call or fold.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:04 PM   #30
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Re: WSOP 1500 NL sanity check

Hand 1

Why flatting is bad- You will be put in a bunch of bad spots postflop where you will have no idea where you're at. You have a really good idea where you're at right now so take advantage.

Why shoving is bad- He will fold hands like AJ, AQ, 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ way more often when you shove. I agree sometimes he will call with these hands thinking you're isoing a wide range but this frequency is lower than many are assuming.

Why 3bet/call is good- It allows him to level himself into 4betting all of the hands listed above.


Hand 2


Post the results of hand 1. I'm assuming hand 2 happened shortly after hand 1 so I think the results of hand 1 have an affect on gameflow and how villain will percieve your calling range.

Against the described villain, who percieces you to have a really wide range here, his shoving range could be as wide as any ace, any broadways and any pairs. I don't think this is the case but I think something like 66+ AT+ KQ would be an estimate weighted toward the tight side of his possible range, although not the extreme tightest.

It's pretty close and either way you aren't making a huge mistake. Gameflow is probably going to be the deciding factor.

Hand 3

This is in my snapcall range against a reg. With the info that he has already shoved a couple of times you can profitably call 55+ A8+ KQ. Really this depends on how much you are willing to gamble and how big you think your edge is at this table.
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