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Old 07-03-2012, 09:21 AM   #1
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wsop 1500$ event

Blinds 25/50, Ilon Schwartz (~10000) limps utg (he plays 3/4 hands mainly raising but with a few limps), I (1925 tight image) raise 200 with AA, BB (~5000) calls (bad player).
Flop 5TQ rainbow, BB donk pots 600, Schwartz calls.

Your action ?

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Old 07-03-2012, 09:38 AM   #2
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Re: wsop 1500$ event

Get them all in there!
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:37 AM   #3
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all in , sorry u lost
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:47 PM   #4
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OP - what exactly were you hoping to learn here?
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:49 PM   #5
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Re: wsop 1500$ event

yeah, ilon's call looks strong, but it could just be a Q or kj or j9s...
so i'm never folding.
89tjqk are not pretty. i like shipping it on el flop
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:56 PM   #6
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all in , sorry u lost
This. I assume you lost or else you wouldn't post here but I'm pretty sure getting it in was the right play.
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Old 07-03-2012, 03:32 PM   #7
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:01 PM   #8
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Re: wsop 1500$ event

I know that I'll look a bit result oriented but the more I analyze the situation the more I think that I made a bad shove.

Ilon's range is not that wide indeed, what could he cold call here with knowing a tight raiser is going to push any overpair and AQ.

During the hand I felt that BB had at least a Q 90% of the time and possibly QT. I thought he wasn't the kind of player to donk bet pot with a set or a straight draw. So I put him on a very narrow range : AQ,KQ,QJ,QT.
I'm pretty sure Schwarz put him on the same kind of range.

So, it makes it less likely that Schwarz hold a Q.
If so wich Q ? He would have raised AQ, KQ for sure. QJ is probably a raise/fold preflop as KJ is.
In my opinion the only queen that is a limp/call pre and call flop here is QTs.

In the heat of the action I convinced myself that I was against a Q and some sort of draw like J9s, KJs. It's not a lot of hands considering KJ is probably a raise/fold preflop.

The rest is of course TT(his holding) and 55.

Considering that I could be already beaten by 2-pair in the BB or Ilon's hand and that the limp/call preflop utg looks strongly like a pocket pair I think a fold were in order.
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:43 AM   #9
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But you are not deep enough to fold AA on this board. DUCY?
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Old 07-05-2012, 06:49 PM   #10
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But you are not deep enough to fold AA on this board. DUCY?
I put 10% of my stack in this pot and I'll be left with 35BB if I fold.
I have 1:1 odds in this pot, should I really feel pot committed if I don't think I'll win this pot more than 50% of the time ?

Where do you think that I'm wrong in my reasoning ?
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Old 07-05-2012, 06:52 PM   #11
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Not being results oriented? Definetly get it in there with AA if not then fold all overpairs in 3 way pots from now on LOL.
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So, it makes it less likely that Schwarz hold a Q.
If so wich Q ? He would have raised AQ, KQ for sure. QJ is probably a raise/fold preflop as KJ is.
In my opinion the only queen that is a limp/call pre and call flop here is QTs.

In the heat of the action I convinced myself that I was against a Q and some sort of draw like J9s, KJs. It's not a lot of hands considering KJ is probably a raise/fold preflop.

The rest is of course TT(his holding) and 55.
TT is a limp PF. QJ is a raise or fold. QTs is a limp. WTF?
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:22 PM   #13
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TT is a limp PF. QJ is a raise or fold. QTs is a limp. WTF?
Ok maybe we can add few hands in the limp category. I understand that my statement can be weird but it was my feeling at the table partly because Ilon didn't limp a lot and because the table was mostly active making a limp/call strategy utg with such weak hands not very attractive.

Anyway I'm not sure that I'd win in such spot more than 50%. Had been Schwartz in BB and the other player utg with same action I would never have regreted my shove.

By the way BB had AQu and lost his stack betting again on the turn 5 and calling allin on a blank river !
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