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02-07-2012, 08:43 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 593
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WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
Ok, this is day2 of the main event, i've been to the same table for the whole day and we'r close to the last level of the day so we'v a lot of history with the 2 player involved.
First player is a young ITA reg(whom i know very well and he does too) , wich is very LAG, altough he's been kinda queit since James Akenhead is powning him kinda hard being in position. James is the second villain in this hand, he's playing v aggro since the start of the day and didnt show many hands, he started with 80k and has now something like 180k.
About me, i played kinda tight altoug i once 3 barreled air vs the first villain on AJ66x and got called by QK (i had q h) , 3bet folded vs james 4bet and raise folded many times and made a kinda sexy river craise with 3rd pair as a bluff vs an ITA reg and stupidly showed a card(wich was the pair, so he understood i was bluffing). Overall i probably had a kinda TAG image , refusing to play big pot overall.
1-2k , last hand before break.
CO(villain1) opens to 4k and has 120k
James flat the sb( he has 180k).
He 3betted villain1 like 20 times today, and lost like 3-4 of them . This is probably is 3-4 flat of the day vs Villain1 and i guess his sb callin range is the whole point of the hands.
However, i had KhKs in the sb and make 14k ( ? more i guess, but i always made this type of size the whole day) and both called.
pot 44k,
flop Qc6d9d
James checks i check co checks.
turn 3s
James checks i bet 18k CO calls , james make it 78k basically shoving.... i ?
So, i guess i have to explain the flop check ; since i had the image i explained i tought that by betting i would polarize my range on the top of it,since they probably think im never 3bet light in this spot(and they are probably right in this table situation), so the only hand im beating that continues are draws .
I tought by checking they would polarize me on the low part of my "real" range (something like TT-JJ / AK-AJs ?) and would get more value from any hands that's less then a Q.
Toughs on that? I of course know that by betting flop anything would be easier, im just curios as played. And no, im not result oriented and never been.
ps if i made sintax error is because im really tired and by ipad, sorry everyone if i made it hard to read.
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02-07-2012, 08:51 PM
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#2
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 271
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
As played, snap call/shove. I'd be shocked to see a set here, most likely V has either a straight and/or flush draw with possible pair.
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02-07-2012, 09:24 PM
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#3
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 593
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
Of course i misstyped, im on the BB.
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02-07-2012, 10:03 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 134
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoccoGe
Of course i misstyped, im on the BB.
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More pre. Bet flop. As played, never folding;
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02-07-2012, 10:38 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Dark and dusty, painted on the sky
Posts: 12,241
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
i'd make it like 15.5k pre, but I can see smaller sizing being ok in some spots
definitely bet the flop, you are just gonna own yourself in a multi way pot if you dont
...and how many chips did you start the hand w/ ???
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02-07-2012, 10:39 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 172
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
You were trying to induce this type of action by not betting flop - u said so yourself. So how can you consider folding now that u are underrepped?? It's hard to think you are being anything BUT results orientated
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02-07-2012, 11:02 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,931
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
def bet the flop bet more on turn, dont fold
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02-07-2012, 11:13 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 1,241
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
No 18k is a really good size on the turn, but it would be better if that 18k was the FLOP bet. There are enough draws to get action from much weaker, and not leading here just leads to too many FML spots on the turn (if a J or T comes on the turn bet calling is much worse IMO)
As played call the jam? James should have AQ here alot imo. Or pair+draw hands.
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02-07-2012, 11:27 PM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Premier Poker Coaching
Posts: 784
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
when akenhead checks the turn in this spot he like rarely has a set on this drawy of a board imo. he prolly has some kind of draw/combo-draw/pair+draw. just ship it, also bet the flop
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02-07-2012, 11:48 PM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 719
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deoxyribo
when akenhead checks the turn in this spot he like rarely has a set on this drawy of a board imo. he prolly has some kind of draw/combo-draw/pair+draw. just ship it, also bet the flop
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this. /thread.
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02-08-2012, 12:02 AM
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See my coaching listing
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 23,034
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
I don't get not cbetting. If you had AK or some light 3-bet that missed, you would bet this flop representing QQ+. Just seems like cbetting works to get the money in naturally.
I don't see how we fold on this board. The 3-bet makes the spr not that high. Generally, I would look to play for stacks unless it was a really bad flop, like an ace or JT8 or a 3-flush we dont have any of.
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02-08-2012, 12:03 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Putting an entire table on tilt
Posts: 380
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
need to know your stack size.
prefer not to get cute with KK in a 3-way pot. same advice x10 for late second day. bet bet bet.
as played, it's ugly. I think V has 2pr/set here more often than stated by others. there's a good chance that JA still has AA/KK in your range, given your tight image, tight 3b range and your propensity to be a little tricky. also, if he's on pair/draw combos he has the express odds peel a river. not impossible that he has pr/draw, but it's not his entire range.
i think this is 50/50. you are under-repped, but it's still a single pr in a 3-way pot for your entire stack (?) deep into the second day of a ME. bet more pre, bet flop, but as played i'll stick my neck out and say this is either (i) a snap call because you simply know you're in front, or (ii) a fold-n-survive spot.
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02-08-2012, 12:10 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: No wonder they crucified Jesus
Posts: 6,195
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
Villain has two pair literally never and 3-bets QQ and maybe 99. Get it innnn
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02-08-2012, 01:29 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,931
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Re: WPT Venice KK 3way 3bet pot awkard like
is it possible villian would lead the turn with a big draw? confused by his line but i kinda think he has 333
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02-08-2012, 03:12 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: 2011 Winstar River Main Event Champ
Posts: 4,428
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I think checking the flop is fine to induce but once you do you shouldn't think about folding unless like the Ad peels. I think villains will assume you are betting AQ, KK+ on flop to protect, so you kept your range wide and we are at the top of that range. Hellmuthgasm your chips in.
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