I was at the table, Antonio went from like >90% to cash to really short, so he was definitely tilty. Thought the flat with AK was fine, as Antonio was shoving/squeezing a fair amount, and Grinder was opening a ton. Plus, if you make top pair, and Grinder makes anything you're getting 3 streets a lot. Still think 3 betting is fine also, because Grinder will just call with too much and occasionally will 4 bet stuff.

I guess the only strategic "error" AK could make was to fold to Grinder's opening. Pretty ironic.

He took the hi variance route by inducing. If he 3bets they both fold and he wins the pot, or antonio still jams n he wins the pot or grinder flats after antonio folds and a cbet takes down the pot. He got what he wanted, ul he lost /thread imo

3-betting might be a little better without the read, but you probably win a pretty big pot if you flat and hit. Some advantages to playing this hand without initiative.

Am I the only one that doesnt really like a 3bet here against someone that will call 3bets often and will play back at us on most boards that are bad for our range? I often prefer keeping my range fairly hidden by calling in this spot with these stacks. If Grinder would 4bet or fold, I would be all for 3betting but he really likes to call then try to win most pots postflop. I think the problem here is if it comes Ax, Kxx, or Qxx, he will probably just fold to a cbet and if it comes with low cards, he will often either float or raise.

WWJTD

sry i couldnt parse this thread correctly, do ppl think qj iso is good?

Should have had AQ, ul.

Seems borderline to me.

Yeh, with AK, sometimes it is better to either be the caller or get allin preflop. Don't want to get flatted and be OOP with it. Even most amateurs will tend to play aggressively on A/K high boards as the raiser and tend to fold as the caller.


QJ iso is awful IMO. You are behind squeezer's range. You are 40% against a top 15% range. KJ is probably the bottom of his range. JJ+/AJ/KJ/AQ/KQ have you dominated. Short stack is never really bluffing on the bubble.

When SB calls, you are in really bad shape. Lucky to be 40% against AK. In really bad shape against QQ+. Assuming QJs, 32% against a top 5% range. You are in for a lot more chips against SB. SB doesn't have to be trapping that often for the push to be really bad.

you play the hand perfectly obviously

I understand inducing a squeeze and all, but you're mostly saying you did this to avoid playing a "bloated pot" oop vs a wide range. Playing oop 40 bigs deep with AK vs a very wide range doesn't sound like much of a nightmare situation to me.

AK is the double-edged razor of hold'em. It's real sharp, but it cuts both ways, and if I never get it (or AQ) again for the rest of my life, I'd be thankful.
Do I think AK is worthy of my being all-in preflop and at risk against two callers with these stacks and at this point in the tournament? A resounding Nope.

That said, every situation is different, and you played it as well as it can be played, imho. Sometimes it makes no difference how a hand is played, and this looks like one of those times.

Lol ^^^

Would have been a whole lot better if he said "double-edged razor of the cadillac of poker" imho.