Mad - if there's a spot where everyone wants to fold, then it becomes very profitable to bluff.
When ip shows up Otr with either the 8s or 9s it means that ip can't have a straight flush. This can also be called a "blocker" because it "blocks" the straight flush
At this stack depth you can now go all in and expect plenty of folds because you "block" the nuts
So now if ip starts shoving every time hes on the river w straight flushes and straight flush blockers ip will start losing alot when he bets and gets shoved on. and either calls and gets shown the nuts for a massive pot or starts folding more than equilibrium
so he needs to respond by calling enough to make ip "indifferent"
This means that ip cannot improve his strategy by in this case...shoving 100% w relevant blockers! Ding!
Also, if villain wants to ever get paid off by ip he needs to have some bluffs his range or else oop can exploit his strategy by just folding 100%, and only calling w hands that have good card removal affects for ip bluffing range. Tl
your a smart 100z crusher so you should know these basic toy game scenarios
But your solution to every spot is to exploitatviely overfold everything pre and post which probably isn't a big deal in the 25/50nl games you crush, but will be if you wanna start trying to beat 200 a bit and for sure at 400nl

except this isnt a cash game where u have X of thousands of hands on villain with multiple dynamics and theres even a fathomable chance of a deep bluff shove repping the super nuts

its an MTT, 109 bucks, with a guy who he has 0 hands on, who has a straight flush here like 99.985% of the time

op posted the hand and I gave my feedback about solving the spot. (U could click around w some software and do some math to find equilibrium for both players to solve the rest)
Hey sure if u wanna just fold 100% because you don't care about getting exploited in a 109 thats fine. (And maybe the case w this exact hand) but im pretty sure my op broke the spot down pretry well

+1

also everyone itt says lol fold, but in ur your post you say the population is gonna call 100% w ops hand.

everyone is saying fold because everyone is right, it looks like perhaps a complex spot initially but in a nutshell its actually a simplistic spot. because the range of hands consists of a single hand.

I don't think that is a good post, or that you ars thinking about this thread or my op the right way

Glad the guy with 20% ROI spoke up. Next up mad lee advocates folding kq suited to a min raise first hand of tournament. There's like maybe 5% of people who raise preflop and check the nuts post flop. You call now bitch do ya? Do you call now you ****ing vittu slut? Call everyday in 109..

And this range consisting of one hand checks back the flop fourway infinite BB deep as the pfr, flats the turn when someone leads and then shoves river like that? Seems like an amazing line, this just can not be a straight flush. Hero must have some misread on villain and he is actually some vamoooo from Brazil with 8s5c here.

Can someone do the math for stubborn eversuspicious guys who believe we should call there?

I mean, just a simple math, like how many bluffs should he have with his sizing on the river. Because something tells me even if there are ever bluffs our call frequency would be something like 1 out of 30 times. I still think it's optimal to fold here.

But yeah, what if someone shoves 10 pots there with 9x or 8x every time, oh yeah, don't want to get exploited.

+1

Because this happens so frequently that we have to take out our abacus and start doing complex calculations mid hand. This spot will probably never arise again, so it is kind of useless to start counting on this situation in a manner that implies that that we will be in this spot an infinite amount of times. I call bull**** on villains line and I think that nobody ever plays a straight flush this way, and if they somehow but very unlikely do - pay that man his money. No GTO calcs or piosolver work in the world can ever solve these very odd spots against spazztards that arise once every a quintillion hands.

It is not only about if you are right or wrong. This hand would be different in a cashgame.

It is about wether your equity in the tournament will increase big enough to make the call (if we are right).

And it just simply wont.

If I call and are right, my equity in the tournament will not increase as much as it would "decrease" if I call and loose.
If I call and loose I am 100 percent busted. If I call and win I wont have doubled my equity (the blinds were still low and I still had 150 bbs if I folded).

In a cashgame I probably call. If I had him covered (for the bounties sake) I probably call as well, hoping he missclicked or something.

I'm kind of torn tbh, slowplaying it and then just ripping it OTR over a bet hoping that someone is a station (aka me) sounds like a viable strategy of getting paid big time with the super nuts. Still, the flop check is incredibly absurd and is what throws me off.

I've seen fishes do this kind of stuff a lot on cash tables. And unless I have a very specific note on a fish saying that he is wild that way so he can bluff any two cards (obviously very rare fish since it spews its bankroll very quickly) it's always a fold. It's very typical fishy mentality - bet big with nuts, bet smaller when bluffing, barrel big with a strong made hand that needs protecting (in their mind), barrel smallish with a draw or middle strength hand. Nothing new in how fishes play since 2002 probably.

Having problems seeing a "semi-reg" as you called him check flop on this board this deep.
I do see a semi-reg getting a bright idea to turn 9s9x, 8s8x into a bluff vs your turn and river bet-sizes tho.