http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxLiW9Vcy64&t=51m00s

Is it worth it?

he won the pot so i am guessing it is.

I didn't really get the point although Larrabe should never have the Q and insta mucked the 8

I assumed ESPN messed up larrabees hole
cards as I don't see how he could insta muck it. Van hoofs shove is good if he's confident is scared $ and not a good hand reader. he'd never try this on Jacobson.

I guess Van Hoof made the right read. Hard to call the 1.5xpot push. Larrabe could have an 8 or a set he was pot controlling.

headasplode

Larrabee probably bets a Q, and also probably bluffs if he can't beat KT, so Van Hoof puts him on a hand that is ahead but can't call an overbet shove.

Trivial shove with KT

asehigh, you really think he shovrs with a Q??

the only hand Adoni should tank with is a Qx , where x=/A, while trying to guess whether Hoof has AQ or not

8 is a snap muck, all the thinking went in on the turn and river, when Hoff was trying to figure out how often is Adoni leading w a Q or semi-bluffs on the turn

Hoof is not calling to hit a FH on the riv, per se

This is not a trivial push with KT, haha!

good handreader? Van hoof plays all his Qx this way so not sure what you're getting at. Also, I'd guess the vast majority of larrabe's bluff leading range on the turn contains an 8 so it's a pretty cool spot for the cleaner. 8x seems like a ridiculously easy fold and he just got unlucky that he happened to be up against one of the very few people in this world who actually go for it there.

Qx is an absurdly easy call on the river
doubt you can station 8x ever though

problem is that if van hoof sits there with Qx he has only 2 possibilities
A bet supersmall to get called by 8x
B shove to fold out a chop (might happen at mainevent ft with someone who is as scared money as andonni obviously was)

you never know if hes choosing B

i thought it was clear to everyone at the table that Larabee didn't have Qx based on his quick check on river. He would at least ponder betting/shoving with Qx so if Van Hoof would choose option A with his Qx.

I'm very curious as what happens on blank rivers. I thought larabee would bet 2/3 pot and Van hoof would fold.

exactly

Don't see how it is a snap fold still. It's a cool spot to turn a lot of 1 pairs into a bluff...
Also if you say he should only contemplate a call with Qx that makes his turn bet awful because he almost never had AQ and then you except him to be at a decision with the ultimate roof of his range which is a Q?

River may be a fold but not a snap fold, if in any case it is a snap fold, Larrabe should not have a turn leading range.

River is a shove almost always. I would be willing to bet that larobe calls if he hits trips on the river.

I would bet money that a big winning onlinereg would think about valuebetting aq after doublebarreling aq on TJ6A2 co vs bb, wouldnt check back a set on j675k and wouldnt miss a hand on the button when he has 12bb on the mainevent ft
Oh wait

Meh thought larrabe played v well. 55 hand was std

Presumably he checked back bottom set because he didn't know what to do against a big c/r, but was that really standard?

55 check was not standard

not every villain out there is pads1161, so def not std

I guess he checks cause what charder said

he is a really good player who is surrounded by even better players and will be thinking a lot deeply about hands than most.

he opened utg, bb (newhouse) defended)

j76, bet, call

turn 5, bet, call

river k, chk chk

newhouse got jj, 77, 66, 98 (all off suit combos/all suited combos) 43 (all suited combos/perhaps off suit? newhouse v splashy) that beat us

his river calling range that we beat is, kj, j7, 67, maybe few others

he can also jam river a lot with 78, 86 kind of hands and put us in brutal spot.

newhouse will extremely often raise earlier with hands better than 55 on such a dynamic board vs an obviously strong barrelingrange
also you can use smaller sizings on the river

If he is checking he should checking to induce bluffs or with the intent of snap folding so in that regard I like the fold. Larrabe planned on calling a reasonable value bet, Van Hoof put him on his exact hand and figured the only value bet he wouldn't call was a shove and went for it. I don't think Van Hoof was trying to improve on the river, but he knew that Larrabe might check back anything but Qx on the river. So for Larrabe I Like bet folding or shoving yourself. Yeah you could get shoved on still but you can still rep a Q and fold out floats a lot of the time. The pot is just so big at that point I would hate to concede it on the river having improved to what will often be the best hand when the one other player in the pot has to have one of 4 specific cards to beat me

I am still a novice if that was not immediately apparent but I just don't get why he would bet the turn then check the river.


Larrabe said he played well but was unlucky. I do not agree at all with this assessment. He checked sets in position and played exploitably OOP. He played bad but ran super hot Pretty sure Tonking would have beat him off the table had he not basically doubled through Newhouse.