villains is a good HS canadian online reg who has like 2 6digit scores and a few more good 5 digit scores.
dont have many hands on him though.


how you guys like check back flop, think default is to bet here cuz tht way he pays for draws and the hand will be easier to play on later streets.
.how big shud i size river. now trivial fold?


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $200 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13670512

SB: 9,220 (46.1 bb)
BB: 17,970 (89.9 bb)
UTG+1: 10,255 (51.3 bb)
UTG+2: 15,160 (75.8 bb)
Hero (MP1): 17,699 (88.5 bb)
MP2: 5,780 (28.9 bb)
MP3: 6,699 (33.5 bb)
CO: 7,141 (35.7 bb)
BTN: 20,246 (101.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T T
2 folds, Hero raises to 444, 5 folds, BB calls 244

Flop: (988) 6 7 A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (988) T (2 players)
BB bets 400, Hero raises to 1,200, BB calls 800

River: (3,388) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,800, BB raises to 5,760, [color="grey"]Hero

I'm usually betting this flop with close to 100% of my range.

Think turn sizing needs to be a bit bigger given when wemake a turn raise after not cbetting flop we are perceived to be polarised.

River seems like a b/f, not sure what hands he could turn into a bluff or what hands he c/r for value with worse.

Do 66 and 77 ever flat the turn raise?

i shud prlly rephrase question and ask:

how much do you guys hate checking back flop

I would cbet, but don't mind check.

Agree larger raise OTT, partly because of wet board.

OTR, I would call raise from reg, as could be bluffing backdoor flush.

If you don't know what to do when you bet this river, you need to a) check back river or b) flat the turn.

That`s right.

I wonder what villain think about hero`s turn raising range?

You agree Greg - if villain has more AsXx hands in turn leading range rather than suited Axss (which is obv) then we can be good otr a big % of times.

Probably V understand there`re no spades combos we raise turn with (we check back KQss, QJss and 98ss bets flop).
So if he has As, we really can`t have any flushes (expect some retarded one) and he can turn NFD_blocker in a bluff a lot.

EDIT:
Though at this depth there`re many non nutted FD, combo-draws he could lead turn with I guess he won`t always c/r river with them

Possible to check river, but loses a lot of value, so b/c or b/f may be better.

Why would you check current 3rd nuts OTT?

Wwyd on all other turns except T (if villain would lead it)?

agree with nsb, that turn flat serve u a lot of cool riverspots, ur range looks super wide u can rep everything what connect with the board otr and get him to bluffcatch u sometime on nearly total blanks. so u more in controll of the hand and your perceived range is much wider then with raise ott.

river is b/f like 80% or b/c. i think checking is really weak there tho. even if u have to guess sometime.

Yeh, but you want to get as much as possible in OTT with a set on a drawy board. You might get him to call the river if you call the turn, but then you don't get anymore in. If the river is a blank or the board pairs, don't you want to get 2 more bets in by raising the turn and betting the river? Seems natural the raise a set on that kind of board, as there are so many hands that can call. Also, he could occasionally have a higher set or straight, but don't we want to give him a chance to 3-bet? Plus a turn raise does not define our hand as a big made hand.

this was my thinking on the turn as well.

I think flatting turn can be really sexy but do i really want to give him the chance to see any river for 400 where i really dont kn ow where i am at on several river cards?

yes thats def the default vs random. but vs good reg u should or can take some alternative lines sometimes tho. i do think his line is good to, but very abc-ish. and as good reg villain mostly perceive "randoms" very very strong when check back flop as pfa and then raise turn. so villain is rarely bluffing or calling much worse otr.

Here is my analysis...

PREFLOP:

HERO
You raised deep stacked in early/mid to less than 2.5x. An average range for this type of bet, with your chip stack, in this position would be JQ(s),KJ(s),KQ(s),AJ(s),AQ(s), AK(s) and 66+

VILLAIN
The BB, is also deep stacked and has you covered. It is in the early/middle stages of the tournament, so he is happy to call your bet cheaply and see a flop. I would think his calling range here could be any connectors, suited one-gappers, suited aces, AQ (s) and under (he's almost certainly re-raising AK at this stage) and any pair 10s and under.

FLOP:

Flop: (988) 6 7 A (2 players)

Actual Action: The villain checks and you check behind.

The first thing you need to think about here (as with any heads up situation in poker) is your read on the opponent. Is he likely to float air and represent any draws that hit? Has he checked back top pair to the raiser in the past or has he led out with it? How likely is he to back down to a continuation bet? Is his calling range tighter or looser than average?

Option 1:

Against an aggressive opponent who has check-raised or called/floated many flops in these situations in the past, I tend to take the conservative route here and check the flop. Checking here against this type of opponent has a few advantages. #1, it keeps the pot small on a heavy drawing board when you have a made hand with little chance of improvement. #2, checking the flop often times will make this type of player bluff at almost any turn card. In these cases, you can call the turn bluff and check/call most river cards.

Option 2:

Against a standard opponent who I have little or no read on, I will almost certainly make a standard continuation bet on this flop. A few things can happen for me when making a cont. bet here. #1 The villain folds and I win a 988 chip pot. #2 The villain calls and helps to define his hand further or #3 the villain raises and leaves me with a fairly easy decision to fold.

I am fine with your decision to check behind here and would do so myself if the circumstance made sense.

TURN: T

Actual Action: The villain bets out 400 into 988 (roughly 40% of the pot) and you put in a 3x raise to 1200.

In this type of deep stacked heads up situation, I like to just flat call here for a couple of reasons. First, his bet is not so small that it lets him see the river too cheaply if he is betting a draw. (He is 15% to hit his flush draw on the river). Second, if we raise here to 1200 and he 4 bets we will almost certainly have to give up and would have wasted an additional 800 chips. Lastly, by just calling here we allow ourselves to keep the pot smaller and either call a small river bet (often times a bluff) or check behind and likely win the pot.

*Note that he did not bet out the flop on this hand. When an aggressive player flops a flush draw, they will often times try and take you off the hand right away or get you to check the turn so they can check behind and see a free river card. This fact is something to keep in mind when analyzing the hand and makes it less likely that he is on a club draw. (You are also holding the 10 of clubs, which falls into his range).


RIVER: 5

Actual Action: You bet 1,800 (into 3,388 or 53%) and the villain raised to 5,760 (about 3x)

The 5 of spades completes the low straight draw and the backdoor flush draw. His smallish lead on the turn usually indicates a hand like 89 or a K or Q high flush draw. I think if he had flopped the ace and checked, he would be making a more sizable turn bet here. His action on the river is consistent with holding 89 or the backdoor flush draw. If you don't put what is essentially a bluff in on the river, he will likely check behind any hands that you beat...

We need Kleath to comment the post above...

oh boy.