We are in level 3 of a 3K buy in Main event. Blinds are 100/200 and we have chipped down a bit to 24k from our 30k starting stack.
We have played a couple of pots (but no really big one) and were more on the tighter side. Villain (33ish k) has been active at the beginning when table was 6 handed, but has calmed down pretty much since we played the full ring.

Folded to Villain who opens 800 from the HJ, folded to me in the SB and I look down at AcKc.
I thought about repopping it, but given that Villain made it 4x I did not want to play a huge pot oop (as the table was generally pretty sticky against 3 bets).

So I flat. Pot is 1800, Flop comes 2h3s4h. I check, Villains makes it 1000. My options here are to either fold and move on, or to peel one off with my gutter ball and 2 overs and see what develops.

So I call. I was ready to fold most turns if villain keeps barrelling.

Turn comes 6h (pot 3800). So my straight is counterfitted and I pretty much have 0 equity if it goes to showdown.

So I decided to turn the heat on villain (which I would have done with the flush as well). I lead 2000, villain calls.

River comes 5d (pot 7800) completing the straight on the board. Given the preflop and flop action, villain hardly ever has a 7 here.

I decide to continue telling my story of the flush and barrel 6000.


Is this too much risk, to blow villain of a chop, I guess I get him to fold here like 80-90% of the time (I’m only afraid of the flush, and given the big raise pre actually only of big ones…)?
Or would you give up on the flop/turn?

I don't mind your line but I'm pretty spewy early in tourneys

I would raise preflop since your plan of not playing big pots basically went out the window. Very interesting play here, I like it. I'm pretty spewy in early stages of tournaments too, but that's because if you lose this hand your stack is still a good size.

Results?

Why do you not want to play a big pot w aks

With 120 bb, i don't think it is a great spot to play huge pot oop with A high if you miss the flop...

Results: villain tank folded and said 'any other river and I pay you off'. I just thought: really????
whatever i guess he had something like JJ maybe with a heart....

Maybe because it's pre ante to deep and OOP?

I like this. Don't want to 3-bet OOP a 4x open deep. Villain often has a strong hand. Not sure about turn, but river is good, because you are usually just chopping if called.

Villain should not be folding 80+% of the time on river, because it should be obvious you can close to freeroll bluff with the straight on the board. However, villain seems pretty straight forward maybe donkish, as implied by stereotypically 4x ing a likely 99-QQ.

Villain's comment seems donkish, or he is assuming you are ABC, as it is easy for you to bluff the river. You could also have had a straight OTT or some other strong hand and be turning it into a bluff.

Seems like pretty good play taking advantage of villain's being a little face up preflop. Particularly since it is unlikely he had a 5 or 7 for straight OTT or higher straight OTR.

For me the turn bet was mandatory to get the bluff through. Villain is never folding to a single barrel and may push me off the hand ott.

Villain should be folding a lot here because
A) he is getting terrible odds (he has to pay 6k to win 4K)
B) I can easily have a flush here.

So what other hands would you rather play a big pot with besides aks
I try to play as big possible pots w the third best hand in nlhe

Why does pre or post ante have to do with playing your hand in the highest ev way

Also the 4x makes the 3b even more profitable ducy

I mentioned position as wel those factors toghether makes a call a better play i think,i don't say you can't 3B i just say i wouldn't for those reasons.
It's true the ante's aren't that important but as a general rule for myself i not blow up pots pre before ante's comes in play.
Your hand is also kind of disguisted with flatting.

I meant the river bet is absolutely the play, whereas there is a decision about the turn bet. Obviously, the turn bet worked great with the river card that hit.

It was a 3-wheel-card flop, which is a notorious action flop, particularly if both players hold strong starting hands. The turn make it more a coordinated low flop. When someone shows strength preflop, as with the 4x open, this is generally a could situation to make a play, as it is unlikely he has low cards.

If you knew he had 99-QQ, then it might be better to give up, but often he has AJ-AK and he doesn't always have a huge starting hand. Sometimes he missed and c-bet, maybe with the ace, and you can get him to fold with 1 or 2 bets.

As for the turn bet, as villain's comment implied, unless the river put a straight or 4-flush on the board, it is going to be hard to get villain to fold anything you are behind, even betting both the turn and river. That doesn't mean you shouldn't lead the turn.

Post flop is just clicking buttons tho you take hand that shouldn't even be in your flatting range and start blasting off.
My recommendation would be to go do some work on constructing your pf ranges, and go from there
Wrd to turn play. Theres a decent chance you still have the best hand andputting this hand into a turn bluffing range with the worst blockers possible is well, not so good
Especially since live players will 4x quite a bit with random ranges early in deeper stacked mtts and he can easily show up w tons of 7x combos of which you block basically none other.than a7s
Theres some more to talk about pre but flatting this hand is pretty bad

Why AKs could not be in your flatting range in the SB?I think in this situation when he raise 4x it's maybe better to see a flop OOP and go from there.I think hero played the hand good.

I agree with everything that lolposting2016 wrote, although I'd add that while this line is theoretically pretty terrible, it might actually work sometimes in a live donkament vs some whale who'll shake his head/sigh fold JJ here. But yeah it's basically just clicking buttons.

I don't see how it is clicking buttons. OTT, you may be ahead and the A and K are usually outs otherwise. Maybe better to lead then c/c or c/f. I don't see how OP thinks he has zero showdown value. If villain didn't start with a pp, AK is generally ahead or chopping on this board.

OTR, you can beat the board a lot more than villain does, and he rarely does, so you have to take a shot. Plus you don't want to check and have to c/c to chop. I don't think it works anything like the 85% of the time OP says, but you probably have to bet at least that size. IMO villain should call (or bluff raise) with whatever he has, because, although he is getting bad pot odds and OP can have a flush, OP is probably betting like this with his whole range.

I would snap assign fish tag after I snap w what ever 7x which ill have a bunch or just lol and slam a hi blockers jn his grill. Then be like lol he flatted ak vs my 5'7s 120bb deep thats rich

Apart from the fact, that I don’t appreciate the tone of your post, what you are saying simply is not correct.

Nobody said that it is ALWAYS correct to flat a 4x HJ open from the SB 120 BB deep and then turning AK into a bluff.

But in THIS VERY SITUATION, THIS VERY OPPONENT does not have 7x very often when opening this amount in that situation. The only thing I really was concerned about was him having a flush.

And THIS VERY OPPONENT is not always heroing you for a chop. This was a very situation specific course of action, and it may be terrible against an opponent who is going to snap me there (like you obviously if with or without a 7 in his hand ), but that is completely irrelevant, as this was a different type of player…

How would you play the river as OP as played? Would you check?

I would never get to the river like this w ak

You should be more concerned w building solid ranges than exploiting situational dependant butting clicking

You should be more concerned w building solid ranges than exploiting situational dependant butting clicking
And its 2016 you xsnt expect to get good advice without enduring skme trolling
Or you can just ignore what I'm saying and keep doing your thing

I despise these kinds of lines pre ante. And it is kind of bipolar to flat AKs pre, but then blast off in this fashion

I'd just make it 2k pre and go on from there.