Sunday Million, after the money. 600 players remain. Don't know villain. I was moved to this table just a few hands ago.

I know flatting the original raiser is another option but wanted to start to make 3 bet history between us (he seems agressive).

What's your villain's range here? AhKh, AhQh 99+ (JJ+?)? Wider?

Do you favor a fold or call to his flop reshove?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $200 Buy-in (4,000/8,000 blinds, 800 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11796162

UTG+2: 513,248 (64.2 bb)
MP1: 792,293 (99 bb)
MP2: 330,216 (41.3 bb)
MP3: 79,618 (10 bb)
Hero (CO): 472,276 (59 bb)
BTN: 309,664 (38.7 bb)
SB: 185,743 (23.2 bb)
BB: 300,244 (37.5 bb)
UTG+1: 81,743 (10.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T T
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 16,000, 3 folds, Hero raises to 39,999, 2 folds, BB calls 31,999, UTG+2 calls 23,999

Flop: (131,197) 5 8 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets 56,000, BB raises to 259,445 and is all-in,SharkEger001: folds

pretty disgusting spot espc in the million, where u obv have to take more marginal spots
than in any other regular speed tournament..
but unfortunately u didnt give any infos on villian in BB, at least ave.-bi etc. u knw, so its pretty tough to say..
i mean i doubt that somewhat decent players have a big cc-range here oop if any, hes not even 40bigs eff though + in the million are enough ppl who are "capable" to flat JJ+ here in comparable situations for sure.
but the players flatting JJ+ here,are usually also flatting smth like QhJh aswell at least from time to time and very rarely 67hh,78hh,79hh w/e. but the chance he is shoving smth like66/77,56cc,67cc or an 8 is ~1% i guess,perhapsss 99 sometimes though.
i think i would just b/f like 44k on the flop here even though i would hate it in game personally, but depending on players and how things went pre, it doesnt look like theyre kind of players who are pretty sick and tricky post and make your life hard.
ye looks still pretty gross since you shouldnt be much worse than 35/65, shoulda wait for some numbers^^

57cc/79cc

What was your thought process behind the 3bet?

What do you think BB is cold flatting with?

I would check back the flop and I would fold now

was my first mind as well, but dnt u think utg2 is calling his 56s,up to 89s and obv better but here not relevant hands and doenst only have the 66,77,99 which hero beats which makes betting mandatory for value.and he def opens those hands often enough with these stacksizes,only 2<23bb

As I said, 1) I wanted to start to play a 3 Bet Game against UTG since I will have position on most occasions, 2) I can take the pot without a fight which is also fine, 3) I like mixing my game with these semi/strong hands and vary between flatting and 3 betting.

Regarding the 2nd question, this is indeed one of the reasons I posted the hand. After his cold call, I put him on 99+ (more on TT-JJ-QQ, especially JJ) and AK and AQ obv. After his reshove, I think he either has 99+ or AhKh or AhQh. But I dont see that kind of cold calls usually at High Stakes MTT so I was a bit confused.


Why? I prefer betting. I can still be up and I have a decent % of taking the pot here (Unless you def think that he can't have anything but JJ+)

i'm more of a fan of the flat pre

as played i can definitely dig a flop check

would not 3b pre esp if ur intention is to start 3b/pre wars its generally better to do it with a polarized range imo because if he 4bs with this being ur first 3b i really doubt it will be light and tt will not do well vs that range at all.
any read on bb at all? opr? avatar? vip status, even sn or w/e etc

3-bet is fine imo.

B/f flop is fine. Interested in peoples thoughts on checking back and what their plans are for future streets dep on action?

BB could have had all kinds of hands that most defeat us now. He can have 67s (a bit bad to play it so expensive preflop though unless UTG+2 is a loose passive guy) but definitely AhQh, AhKh,88,55,44 (the last 2 also harder to justify unless UTG+2 passive loose) and yes also 99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA even some rare gut shot suited hearts hands or Ah8h etc. With some of these hands its an error to push for so much vs what hero can have as well here and call but its still possible for someone of his stack to push here hoping you were on some AK or TT,JJ that now is afraid to call etc.

I dont like preflop reraise with TT given the positions but if the guy was very loose its not bad either. When they both check its hard to also check back and give them a free card that may be overcard to T or that completes a draw etc. I think i bet a bit more than you did to pose as a confident cbet not a standard operating procedure routine bet with air. But then i fold to a push because i give it more credibility. Even now i give it credibility but i would have loved to be more confident on the fold. In any case fold now dont go crazy when so many hands beat you and realize that the guy has to worry also about the UTG+2 guy having something moreover his check so his push is a bit more like the real thing. Keep in mind a set may also push here due to fear of draws with 2 people in the hand and some chance a QQ-AA or flush draw with overcards calls anyway.

If we knew more about the villain and how he sees you and UTG+2 we might be able to remove from preflop range some hands like 55,44, even 88 and 67s and even a push post flop by 99 or JJ or TT would look funny for a tight player and a preflop AA,QQ,KK slow play vs 2 makes limited sense etc. And then one might be tempted to think the push is a draw or combo draw semibluff and imagine a very tough call there. But since we dont know how the player selects hands preflop in such tough spot for him we cant argue for a call here.

Board: 8c 5h 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.189% 29.75% 01.44% 16201 781.50 { ThTs }
Hand 1: 68.811% 67.38% 01.44% 36686 781.50 { 77+, 55-44, AhKh, AhQh, Ah8h, KhQh, QhJh, 76s }


As you see there is even room for bluffs with nothing here which are extremely unlikely as our equity is in the low 30% and cant call the all in. We wouldn't be able to call an all in if we had bet 80k at flop but at least then we would eliminate some semi bluff or lower pair push hands because it would look to him he has not a lot of fold equity.

I actually think his range is possibly way wider with hands like 89s , 910s , if he is a perceptive player its entirely possible he knows that you 3 bet this spot with hands like AQ KQ AJ against a looser opener , so he flat calls here and shoves over with top pair after hitting it ( with some fold equity i suppose ) . I think this spot is really tough without reads and the only way to avoid this is to make a stronger c bet such that he doesnt have room to make a shove with fold equity , or to just flat his preflop raise and c/c the flop and see how he chooses to play the hand from there , usually seeing more streets , the hands become more obvious