Tough turn/river spot in the Main event with set - Page 3 - High Stakes MTT Strategy

What about this part?

This is first 20 minutes of the day so no reads on villain other than he is a young Euro that looks and acts like a pro.

I think the most important part that could make it a bluff is that hero has JT 0% of the time with this line.

07-22-2016 , 03:26 PM

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Howard Treesong

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I don't think JTs is a zero per cent line for hero. I'm usually calling with it there rather than raising pre, but would it be a horrible hand to balance Aa, ak, KK etc with and raise? I agree with your general line of thinking here but I think you're exaggerating somewhat.

07-22-2016 , 03:58 PM

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cicakman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

fair point for pre and flop, but its still rare. turn and river added to that are what make it 0%

07-22-2016 , 04:27 PM

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Soepgroente

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton

thing is a lot of the bluff combos should, in theory, be JJ/TT. those aren't peeling flop.

seems like it's JTs that had a backdoor flush draw making a float.

this seems awfully results oriented but i think you're only getting 3 streets from AK and AQ (sometimes A5) and if he's peeling lots of stuff on the flop and there's no draws to really worry about... you could in theory check the turn. that seems gross tho.

A lot more sensible bluffcombo's would be AJ/AT who realise OTT they're rarely good. But in practice this is just probably JT or slowplayed AA. Doubt ppl are trying to rep a hand that is perceived to fold pre/otf a lot.

07-23-2016 , 09:55 AM

#55

PhatPots

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I think those who are saying the villain might turn JJ or TT into a bluff because he has blockers are playing too much PLO. People are not going to be thinking like this vs an unknown player in the first level of the WSOP ME.

07-23-2016 , 03:34 PM

#56

erc007

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton

thing is a lot of the bluff combos should, in theory, be JJ/TT. those aren't peeling flop.

agree 100% and this is why we really need to be c-betting like 33% otf. This hand is so much more interesting if we don't narrow villain's range otf and force him to peel hands like TT and JJ. This board favors hero by leaps and bounds so in theory we can bet small with most (if not all) of our range and def want to bet small when we have the board crushed.

Imo the flop sizing is really bad and a pretty significant mistake/leak...

07-23-2016 , 04:50 PM

#57

watevs

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better elaborate on that big time claim hoss

07-23-2016 , 06:15 PM

#58

AmpeFund

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Quote:

Originally Posted by erc007

agree 100% and this is why we really need to be c-betting like 33% otf. This hand is so much more interesting if we don't narrow villain's range otf and force him to peel hands like TT and JJ.

actually, the larger sizing lets hero bet a larger portion of his pre-range otf. As we go smaller to 1/3 or whatever, some of his semi/bluffs, prob do better as checks. Not sure how you can say its a massive leak, w/o knowing how hero structures his prf ranges here.

07-24-2016 , 02:40 AM

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erc007

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AmpeFund

"significant" = massive?...u may not be good at poker but at least ur not prone to exaggeration...not gonna comment on the balance of ur nonsense other than to say i'd rather not discuss strat with someone who thinks GTO is a Pontiac...

07-24-2016 , 03:13 AM

#60

AmpeFund

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Quote:

Originally Posted by erc007

not gonna comment on the balance of ur nonsense other than to say i'd rather not discuss strat with someone

judging from what you post the majority of the time, its prob best not to

07-24-2016 , 11:02 AM

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Z06Fanatic1

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I like all the "GTO" talk and proper strategy when this is the ME against random amateurs.....you should be playing highly exploitable in these spots not trying to "balance" and all this other bs

07-24-2016 , 11:14 AM

#62

Shortfuse

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Quote:

Originally Posted by erc007

i'd rather not discuss strat with someone who thinks GTO is a Pontiac...

But is a Pontiac a GTO?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z06Fanatic1

you should be playing highly exploitable in these spots not trying to "balance" and all this other bs

Exploitative*? I mean sure you'll be exploitable but I don't think that's the point.

07-25-2016 , 03:12 AM

#63

BLUFFDEEZ503

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cicakman

Yes I meant no specific reads pertaining to bet sizing, timing, boards he likes to bluff etc...but i definitely think after 20-30mins at being at a table with someone you can get a pretty good idea on who are good winning players and who are not. And in 2016, i am going to assume that a younger Euro playing the main that i am sure is a professional is going to generally be competent and tough. Maybe that is jumping to too many conclusions and assumptions on my part, could definitely be.

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