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07-14-2014 , 03:34 PM

PuneAsInTurn

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 2

Poker Stars, $200 Buy-in (50,000/100,000 blinds, 10,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #28864021

BTN: 1,809,378 (18.1 bb)
Hero (SB): 2,563,012 (25.6 bb)
BB: 4,946,642 (49.5 bb)
MP1: 1,984,526 (19.8 bb)
MP2: 3,889,072 (38.9 bb)
MP3: 895,172 (9 bb)
CO: 1,655,524 (16.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

MP1 raises to 200,000, MP2 raises to 495,000, 3 folds, Hero raises to 2,553,012 and is all-in, 2 folds, MP2 calls 2,058,012

Flop: (5,476,024) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (5,476,024) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (5,476,024) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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The utg and utg+1 are players that are played about 700 - 1k MTTs on stars with 10-20 avg buy in and the utg+1 have 20 13 14.3 on 15 hands, utd 16 13 6.5 on 105 hands... What are the corect posible plays in this scenario?

Last edited by PuneAsInTurn; 07-14-2014 at 03:41 PM.

07-14-2014 , 03:42 PM

boobsicles

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,435

Why is this a tough spot?

GG gotta win your flips bro. Sucks he didn't have JJ there

07-14-2014 , 03:43 PM

PuneAsInTurn

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 2

7/22 before this hand..

07-14-2014 , 03:50 PM

boobsicles

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,435

Sucks but if you had won you'd have a massive stack to make top 3...if you want low variance you could call 495,000 and check/jam non AK flops which is also ok with shallow structure of SM

07-14-2014 , 04:05 PM

user12345

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,737

meh its not even a cooler.

gg, nice run. ul.

07-15-2014 , 03:08 AM

Andrzejeczek

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 199

Quote:

Tough spot in SM

hahahaha

07-15-2014 , 06:38 AM

AMasta89

stranger

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 12

flat 3b and c/f unless u dont hit a set.

07-16-2014 , 01:07 AM

ChiefBlackfoot

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 561

If it's a soft table and you think you're good, fold pf unless 3b guy is really spazzy. If MP2 has nitty 3b stats or peels sometimes it's a pretty easy fold. If you had maybe 2M chips or less I'd probably sigh/get it in though.

Flame away but vs the avg player this is JJ+ AKo+ way too often, he may fold JJ to a shove which sucks, and readless we have to assume he's calling AKo, which sucks, and your stack is too big to punt off with a hand that is slightly behind his current range and way behind his calloff range, that's an ICM disaster.

07-16-2014 , 03:56 AM

cicakman

banned

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9,229

QQ is very hard to play with 25bb.

07-16-2014 , 09:27 PM

#10

boobsicles

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,435

Poker is dead, I must suck because I have a hard time folding TT with 25BB let alone QQ.

Maybe I should construct a range of

AA<40BB
KK<25BB
Anything more than 15BB fold everything else including QQ.

I guess the new AI stak size for QQ must be 10-15BB since these guys know to 3-bet fold here

07-16-2014 , 09:29 PM

#11

boobsicles

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,435

Now that I think of it, calling 3Bet is horrible as V1 has a VPIP of 20 so almost certainly peels considering the pot odds

07-18-2014 , 12:49 AM

#12

petesgotaces

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,733

As everybody else has said this isn't a tough spot. QQ with 25BB is going all in no matter what. Get it all in and hope.

petesgotaces

07-18-2014 , 10:12 PM

#13

ChiefBlackfoot

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 561

Quote:

Originally Posted by boobsicles

I think it's a big mistake to always play a certain way regardless of the spot. First off there's ICM and the fact that hero is very deep in a major tournament. Then there's the fact that villain has him covered and just 3b in a spot where he should never be on the bottom of his range given the spot and the stacks behind.

By 4b shoving you're laying a very big price that MP1 and MP2 aren't bladed, so while this would be a trivial shove with QQ and 15 BB most of the time it would be actually really close with 25BB assuming you get called by QQ+ and AK.

07-19-2014 , 08:06 AM

#14

SwoopAE

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nh, this is tough with TT, not so much with QQ

07-19-2014 , 03:00 PM

#15

Jamil11

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what everyone said, not tough spot at all, very standard just unlucky.

07-20-2014 , 03:45 AM

#16

01100111

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwoopAE

nh, this is tough with TT, not so much with QQ

^this

07-22-2014 , 02:55 PM

#17

boobsicles

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,435

I don't understand what we did wrong? We went in as a 57% favourite with butt loads of dead money in there. I must be bad to not think twice since you all factor in so many things.

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