http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...ost.204593.htm

We found this hand developing on the turn between Todd Terry and Thijmen Stocker. The board showed , Stocker bet 9,000 and Terry called. The river fell , Stocker checked and Terry bet 25,000. Stocker check-raised to 65,000 and Terry shook his in visible shock.
"I can't believe you'd be bad enough to do that with kings," Terry said after a few moments. Terry sank deep in to the tank and after a full two minutes he prodded, "Second nut no good here, huh?"
Stocker didn't reply and Terry continued to tank. He counted his stack, double checked his cards and sighed. Terry sat there a little while longer and then folded face up. That's right, he folded aces full of jacks face up, giving Stocker tons of credit.


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Opinions on his possible lay down of the year?

Pretty hard to give an opinion without the full hh.

Need waaaaaaay more info

Just glad to see he practices what he preaches on the forums. (actually making the folds he advocates in game)

Pretty easy check back on the river.

Seriously though, is this a case of poker reporting gone horribly wrong?

Even if it was correct, I really don't understand the comment "u can't be bad enough to do this w/ KK." Don't think it's the WORST line w. that hand, is it??

Edit: unless he was referring to flop and/or turn action which I don't know of either. Not sure if he was or not, but if he was just referring to the river c/r I'm kinda confused by the comment

uhhh I don't know. Could be one or the other. Seems bad to routinely make these plays because I made one and the guy showed me 9 high once, so I don't make them anymore. Oh well if he has AK...

It depends on where the guy raised from pre, but assuming he bet, bet, c/r. You are getting a good price on the river and if he c/rs ak he probably c/rs aj and you have ace blockers so there are 3 combos you beat and 2 you chop with so you only need to find less than 1 combo in his river checking range that he decides to spazz with in live poker so i'd call. Of course Todd has history with this guy and live reads and etc that could lead to a different answer.

On the comment about KK... if the dude was bluffing with KK because he had blockers to AK then it would be an awesome play imo . Anyhow, I assume he meant he didn't think the player would valueraise underfulls such as KK and expect to get called by worse

Obviously need the full HH, and while its certainly annoying to fold, and possibly vwp, I wouldn't call it "the laydown of the year." I'm a bit curious as to how he eliminated the non AK Overfulls from Villians range, that would be my first concern with folding.

Good HH.

I most definitely wouldn't expect to get called by worse that often with KK to be completely honest. I would expect to get jammed on by them, though.

And because of that, raising with KK to maximize value isn't that terrible imo. It's hard to make a full house, period. Just from a statistical standpoint, it's more likely KK is good here than it isn't.

But yeah I doubt anybody that raises would do it as a bluff with a hand that has obvious value vs real bluffs.

as others said obv depends on other info, and who info is, can't imagine any villain where it's "appropriate" to say "i don't think you're bad enough to do this with kk" lol, like if it's a bad reg or fish it's pretty bad to say that and if it's a good reg saying it is just stupid

Good fold #fortheeuropeanwhocheckraisedtodd.

There had to be a few raises pre. Still, seems horrendous, I guess I need to start check-raising rivers vs Todd. I guess the part I disagree on is that a random in a 1500 isn't raising an underfull, these monkeys could have anything. Todd, did you ask him what he had when the table broke?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F9dh4_vtN8