fourth hand of the tournament
there are no regs at the table beside the one on my immediate left.

pre I think it's okay to call here sometimes, as we would hate life if a fish 5bet/shoves in the first level of the tournment. we have position.

flop is pretty standard. I calls and everybody fold
Turn he bet close to pot again, think we have to call when we don't block any flush draws.

river he quickly checks. and I actually felt when we check back, we either miles ahead of random cards and AK/QQ. or we lose to AA. (might chop with KK)
but I think if we shove, villain is very unlikely to fold AA when all the flush missed and river is pretty blank..
do we need to bluff/value bet this river vs a random?

thoughts?

bet 2k?

lol I'd bet for value before I bet as a bluff w KK ...wth

2777 for value ainec , if he decided to x/c AA on riv, tell him thanks after he takes your 2777

Preflop, I don't like the flat, only because it looks like if you flat you'll be going to flop ~4 handed, which is what happened. I don't mind flatting if you are flatting the initial raiser, and maybe setting up a squeeze for someone else which you can then proceed several ways. But when it's already been raised, flatted, then 3 bet, I really think you should 4bet and try to take the flop heads up. If a "fish" as you say 5bet/shoves, I'm ok with that in the SM, it doesn't always mean AA, not even close. Just me, but I would hate taking AA or KK to flop 4 handed in level 1 of SM. As they say, you'll generally win small when you crush it, but lose big when someones bullchit hand hits a stupid 2 pair.

Yeah betting small is safe

You played KK carefully preflop so deep but not on river (if you tried to bluff and bet big i mean)? What on earth? Preflop deserves at least a min reraise to 12bb. If you have 2500 stack and you are afraid some reraise to 24bb+ is AA so be it lol. Only a moron would push 250bb after a 24bb 4bet to get you in a tough decision spot. KK doesnt want more than 2 opponents.

At river of course you bet something little for value but not as little as it may inspire a check raise that might be hard to call. Try pot/2 that is strong enough and not very big to still get paid by JJ-QQ and split with KK.

AA would bet the river for value it would seem also. And so would a TX or 99 etc. Especially since he had lead that far.

If afraid you can also check back and know you are ahead most of the time anyway and that a bet might not get paid by worse very often either. I am not greedy at such early level so deep to go for value bet always here with just KK. After all its a big pot anyway and getting it 40-50% larger in profit may come with some risk often enough to not be a bad mistake to check back actually.

i hate flatting preflop. knowingly going into flop 4 handed is never ideal w kk. even in position w disguised hand, almost never profitable to take this line and let 4 ppl in preflop for so cheap. 4bet & re-evaluate = hand plays out completely different anyway + you get a much better read on villain according to how to responds to the 4b. GL

I would not even consider value-betting this river with KK.

Preflop flat is completely fine and probably standard imo
Don't know if you need a 4b range this deep for
Lots of reasons.
Anyway. Just check back riv and win a prty decent % of the time. It's prty terrible
To take a hand w this much sdv and look to bluff w it

I don't know how you can say preflop flat is completely fine and "standard", pretty sure it's not desirable to take big pairs to flop 4 handed if you can avoid it. But whatver, each has their own ideas of best play.

I haven't played the million in a long while, but I'm pretty sure I'd want a "fish" to get it in on the first level of the tournament. And definitely bet river. I'd feel confident he doesn't have KK beat when he makes it 2k on turn. He would bet under 2k if he did and making it 2k or more is intended to make it look bigger and make you fold. So I'd think its likely either scared smaller pair or AK/AQ.

Standard is prob a bad way to say it
But do think there's many valid point
To not 4b this hand here

+1

i'm terrified ott. i don't think we beat much of his value, but i don't know that he chooses these sizings w/ AA on this board all of the time either.

esp if he's pos aware and understands we were in the squeeze spot otf

Ok so is you people levelling? You are, right? My level-o-meter is out of whack, im out of touch.

do you think he's taking this line w/ AK planning to x/c the river?

what air/thin value bets do we have in our river betting range that would incentivize him to call?

Turn is the closest street

800 pre. 2.4k for value now. super happy getting KK in here pre

I wouldnt think the average random opponent early in the million is going to think too hard about what we have if he has a pair 88-QQ and sometimes people decide to call off small river bets with their pretty little A high out of frustration or what ever, because it only costs a little bit. Bottom line is I dont see how we are beat here, certainly not often enough not to go for a small value bet. And i wouldnt think villain can check-raise bluff here either so we dont have to fear that.

Why the hell would you be bluffing here? As asehigh said this is either a small thin value bet, or a check back, depending on what you think villain's range is.

In a vacuum I go 2xxx for value probably as several previous posters have said

well played all streets imo check river now

Pre isnt even close

turn is closest spot by far dont mind a fold or call tbh

never give a random credit for folding aces in this spot which is why i see zero reason to bluff and expect it to work close to never.

i m for a little value bet on the river, can look like block bet especially if its busted FD draw on board, he can bluffcatching with some Ax or with some PP, only reasonable hand what beat us is AA, dont think he 3bet some Tx or 7x so i will be feel pretty confident with our hand

lol at getting it in 250x deep with KK in pretty much any scenario unless we are against a total idiot. Really, stacking of with KK pre 250x is NOT a cooler.

Flat<4bet here.

I think you are assuming that a 4bet automatically equals "getting it in" preflop. If you can 4 bet and get to the flop heads up rather than 4 handed, then 4 bet is by far the way to go. I can't see how you ever want to take big pairs to flop 4 or more handed, guys that do that are the ones mumbling to themselves on their way to the rail when they cant understand how someones T7os cracked their sneakily played KK.

If you 4bet and your opponent 5bets or shoves, then of course you can re-evaluate and if you think you are facing AA you can fold to a shove or call a 5bet and try to hit the 20% outdraw. Or if you think it's more than likely your opponent is a spazz who thinks AK is a get it in 250bb hand, then you can decide if you want to take a 70% gamble to double up.

4 bet to narrow field to heads up and reevaluate if it gets 5bet/shoved.

A good rule of thumb is that "sunday million first level" and "turn KK into a bluff on the river" very rarely mix well.