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Sunday Mill. 3b pot. Fine cbet A high vs 2 opp? Sunday Mill. 3b pot. Fine cbet A high vs 2 opp?

03-23-2015 , 12:53 AM
If we get called on flop, do we bluffshove some turns? Maybe Jx and Kx? Maybe this is a cbet only with the Q or A of diamonds to also bluffshove diamond turns?

The most active raiser opens and one of the calliest villains flats. I had squeezed at earlier levels with A K in a similar spot. Should i be happy getting it in pre or is there some folding room?

PokerStars - $200+$15|125/250 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 9,407
UTG: 12,820 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 45)
UTG+1: 8,850 (VPIP: 10.81, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
MP: 16,207 (VPIP: 24.44, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
MP+1: 4,109 (VPIP: 22.97, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 74)
MP+2: 10,697 (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 22)
CO: 13,724 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 45)
BTN: 35,375 (VPIP: 24.44, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 45)
SB: 8,358 (VPIP: 8.89, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)

9 players post ante of 25, SB posts SB 125, Hero posts BB 250

Pre Flop: (pot: 600) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, MP raises to 625, fold, fold, CO calls 625, fold, fold, Hero raises to 1,680, MP calls 1,055, CO calls 1,055

Flop: (5,390, 3 players) 9 5 3
Hero bets 1,580
03-23-2015 , 05:13 PM
Make it more preflop, as played check flop, no point bluffing into a station.
03-23-2015 , 05:42 PM
This flop is terrible for your range (and especially hand) and there are no good barrel cards. With the Ad it'd be a much better spot to c-bet and pile any diamond turn. Pretty easy check/done-with-the-hand spot here though imo.
03-23-2015 , 05:55 PM
Never folding to a 4b shove or non-all in 4b right? Would you also cbet with Q of diamonds?
03-23-2015 , 08:38 PM
Ehhh, prolly not. Wouldn't love it, but AQ would be doing too well to fold vs most ranges in this spot. If the plan was to 3b/f vs these villains then AQ shouldn't be in that range. As to the Qd I'm not sure what I'd do. I'd probably still be inclined to check/be done with it. It's just so nice to be blocking the nut flush combos and not be sticking it in stone dead vs their Kxdd and Axdd combos (even though these will be a small portion of their ranges obv).
03-24-2015 , 12:02 AM
flat pre.

not a fan of 3b/get in for almost 40bbs against an EP open w AQo. hate 3b/f too.

as played cbet is ok. it only needs to work around 22.7% of the time. he would miss the flop often enough. or u can c/jam if u think villain is likely to stab the flop.
03-24-2015 , 03:00 AM
2k pre if ur going to 3b. I dont mind a call either.

As played, check fold flop.
03-24-2015 , 03:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pkratitsbest
flat pre.

not a fan of 3b/get in for almost 40bbs against an EP open w AQo. hate 3b/f too.

as played cbet is ok. it only needs to work around 22.7% of the time. he would miss the flop often enough. or u can c/jam if u think villain is likely to stab the flop.
Against 2 villians on this flop, a cbet is gross.
03-24-2015 , 12:36 PM
So if AQ isnt such a good stackoff here, is it JJ plus and AK?
03-24-2015 , 05:50 PM
Seems standard to flat pre, as you are OOP and don't want to stack off or fold to a 4-bet.

It isn't that bad a board to cbet, as you represent an overpair having 3-bet OOP. It is only 30% pot, so I don't mind it, even though it doesn't usually take the pot.
03-25-2015 , 09:29 PM
Thinking about it, it seems like a clear cbet/fold and reevaluate on the turn. I don't see this as that bad a flop. You are often way ahead. Also, they usually missed, and SM players may not be thinking on that many levels.

Your preflop range is JJ+/AK, sometimes AQ/99/TT, and bluffs. Their range should be mostly suited broadway, KQ/AQ/AJ and pps. Their preflop range is fairly capped but strong. You could have bluffed with some suited ace or suited gapper and actually hit this board.

I would at least bluff shove a turn K HU. You could be ahead if your 30% pot bet gets called, and usually are good if you hit. It would be hard to call down with a 9 or 66-88 knowing almost any value 3-betting hand has them crushed on a K board.
04-08-2015 , 02:16 AM
I'd just call preflop, not the spot I want to go to war with.
04-12-2015 , 02:52 AM
When the loosest player on the table opens, seems like its better to 3b
04-12-2015 , 07:59 AM
Flat pre. If you're gonna 3b pre, def bigger. As played, cbet is fine

      
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