Important: Player on the button has been sitting out for hours so this is basically a CO vs button spot. Also, hand happened with 70 left, 35 get paid

I dislike getting all-in pre here, but after he 4bets calling makes no sense since half of his stack allready is in the pot. Folding also seems bad.

If I could replay this hand I would probably 3bet smaller and then call his 3bet depending on pot size/chips he has left behind.

Also, does flatting preflop instead of 3betting makes any sense?

About his open sizing: he's been opening 3x every time he opens so far and he just won the 2 hands right before this one, by opening 3x and getting everyone to fold preflop. Also saw him open limp UTG earlier so this player seems to have weird moves in his bag.

Thoughts?

PokerStars - $1000+$50|1000/2000 Ante 200 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 62.85 BB
BB: 22.15 BB
UTG: 33.45 BB
UTG+1: 33.29 BB
MP: 22.86 BB
[b]MP+1: 55.16 BB
Hero (CO): 70.37 BB
BTN: 9.63 BB

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has K A

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 8.49 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 27 BB, Hero raises to 70.27 BB and is all-in, MP+1 calls 28.06 BB and is all-in

Flop: (112.43 BB, 2 players) 2 2 7

Turn: (112.43 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (112.43 BB, 2 players) J

MP+1 shows T T (Two Pair, Tens and Twos)
(Pre 57%, Flop 78%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows K A (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 43%, Flop 22%, Turn 14%)
MP+1 wins 112.43 BB

nh ul

Why cannot we flat here in position and play vs this whale, I am sure he would have weird moves post flop also.

Played it perfectly.

It seems like he is a fish and nothing wrong with the way you play it.

I would prefer a flat. We are ip, we have a stack leverage, we dominate his opening range, we can induce a lighter shove from BB. Flipping 50bbs versus fish here seems little unreasonable.

Easy to comment now that we know what went down... AK crashes his range for the most part, so calling the shove was a right move, however if we flatted then we could find a spot to fold with that board


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I might be in the minority here but this play was absolutely horrible. Your sitting with 70 BB chip leader of the table and you flip for 55 BB. You don't need to flip here your stacks large enough to control and bully the table. Take more flops and be more aggressive.


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Zzzzzz super standard, flatting the open is much worse than 3b, if I knew the opener was gonna 4b it's prob a flat but we don't know that until after it happens, anyone suggesting we flat the open is being results oriented and is flat out wrong

This is nonsense. Obviously we are not super happy about flipping, but given circumstances the hand plays itself. 3b>c in the first instance and jam>c in the second instance.

I guess it's nonsense to you but I believe that I can out play my opponents and I have a 70BB stack that will allow me to pick my spots. I don't need to push my stack on a small edge slightly behind Actually when I can wait for higher equity plays.


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I don't intend to be rude but you are not outplaying anyone in the Sunday Grand. It seems like you do not even have a grasp of very elementary concepts

Why because I don't flip with 70BB.


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Agree with flipping being blast

Just std

Thanks for the replies. Hand was fairly standard so I'm surprised people are still replying.

I played the sunday grand again yesterday and bubbled the final table ffs (finished 10th after losing AK<KK for 18bb, then had 6bb left, shoved A2 and lost to KK again.

Damn AK keeps ruining my deep runs :P

+1

don't get why the discussion is centered on flat vs. 3b when facing the 4b is clearly the critical spot...why can't we just fold to 4b? you think a random at this stage makes a 3x 4b for half his stack with AQ?

there are sometimes spots where you can 3b strong hands with the intention of folding to a 4b

Man are you saying its std for you to call AK CO-HJ 55bb deep?

Yo RWE.

I play z100 so my postflop approach is totally different to what mtt players are doing. It's not standard but I would definitely call top of the range in that spot quite frequently, maybe not against the fish.

i love how madlee thinks hes a boss cause he squeaks out a .5bb/100 wr at 100z

This. I don't want to flip for ~60bbs. I'm honestly surprised he showed up with TT when he makes it this big. Even against TT+,AK we only have 41%.

Played it terriblely post flop, really should have hit an Ace or a King you'll notice when there's an ace or a king on the board post flop you'll win much more with AKo.

In seriousness, I don't loveee getting AKo in for 50 blinds or so, but then again if I know villain is happily getting TT in and I've seen villain get like 88 in for lots of blinds, then I think this is fine.