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02-07-2012, 01:33 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
Villain is new to table, don't recognize his name. First time I've 3 bet him and I have no reads. I'm jamming for value hoping a hero will come along with any pair really primarily 77,99,TT,JJ. I obv like this a lot more with history and if the villain knew what I am capable of etc. because I'm sure with no history he doesn't often call on this particular river but you never know, there are lots of heroes out there. (obv sucks when he was being a hero on flop/turn w A high tho)
Only looking for opinions on river even tho looking back I prefer betting bigger on the turn. Assuming a lot of you check river back but I enjoy extracting thin value as much as possible. I'm greedy like that  Anyways, opinions pls.
Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11810462
Hero (CO): 64,310 (107.2 bb)
BTN: 56,902 (94.8 bb)
SB: 43,034 (71.7 bb)
BB: 10,345 (17.2 bb)
UTG+1: 16,948 (28.2 bb)
UTG+2: 15,867 (26.4 bb)
MP1: 13,018 (21.7 bb)
MP2: 46,579 (77.6 bb)
MP3: 31,960 (53.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q  9
4 folds, MP3 raises to 1,200, Hero raises to 2,650, 3 folds, MP3 calls 1,450
Flop: (6,740) 8 6  6  (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets 3,000, MP3 calls 3,000
Turn: (12,740) Q  (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets 6,600, MP3 calls 6,600
River: (25,940) A (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets 52,000 and is all-in
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02-07-2012, 02:04 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: working for the yankee $$
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
"that ace could not have helped u"
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02-07-2012, 02:14 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
seems fine
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02-07-2012, 02:21 AM
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formerly known as zj123
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
woud really like to have reads or history but I dont hate i.t
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02-07-2012, 07:32 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
Quote:
Originally Posted by charder30
woud really like to have reads or history but I dont hate i.t
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Agree, except I do hate preflop sizing.
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02-07-2012, 01:09 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
He doesnt expect u to jam this hand so if he calls a Q he also calls a lot of hands u beat but at the same time if he folds those hands he should (and hopefully will) also fold the split
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02-07-2012, 05:43 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Terry
Agree, except I do hate preflop sizing.
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Why?
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02-07-2012, 06:28 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
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Originally Posted by Pghfan987
Why?
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live pro tho
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02-07-2012, 10:51 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
Why would anyone check back this river? And I like your line a lot.
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02-08-2012, 06:26 AM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2010
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nh op
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02-08-2012, 10:20 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
i dig it
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02-08-2012, 11:04 AM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2012
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
This is probably the most amazing poker play that I've ever seen in my life.
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02-08-2012, 05:36 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
I definitely wouldn't do this against a complete random. If you OPR him and he's a HSMTT reg then sure it's fine. Totally cold I hate it.
Make it a bit more preflop anyway IMO.
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02-08-2012, 06:10 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Wilmington, NC
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
Yeah regardless of live pro youre 50+ bb effective, you do want this 3bet to make him fold pre ideally right? Think its a bit small but obv isnt anything bad. I think with no reads it can be a bit too thin, not because youre beat that often but he really shouldnt hero worse hands with no history and it is possible he can have things like aq 88 some 6 aa. Again no history so even tho these are combinatorically unlikely when he is very unlikely to hero worse at this point i think it can be ok to check back. I do like it with history though when you can usually count aq to 4bet pre and maybe even 88, as well as knowing your opponent knows youre capable of pew pew pewing here from start to finished with trash
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02-08-2012, 06:18 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Re: Sunday $109r: Extracting some value
too thin
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