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10-08-2007, 03:14 AM
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#196
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters
I felt like checking riv was def the best play, tho betting something tiny was prob ok too as this guy def might bluff raise that. I think shoving or betting like 5k is really really terrible, as randal said he is way more likely to make a huge bluff than a huge call. Also when I shove riv it's like impossible for me to be bluffing.
So I checked riv, he bet 6k, I shoved for 9k, aaaand he folded after thinking for ~15 seconds.
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10-08-2007, 06:38 PM
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#197
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Barcelona Lottery Winner
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters
nh wp etc. ansky has inspired me to start posting a little bit more.
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10-09-2007, 08:55 PM
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#198
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters
NH. And OT, TerrorofSweden is a great name given this guys playing style. I find it somewhat amusing.
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10-11-2007, 11:42 PM
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#199
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters
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Not really but OP said he views him as tag, so ToS will assume he's on AT+ 88+ and broadway.
Which is true.
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This isn't close to Ansky's range and if this is your range its awful I would much rather call 22 than KTo. I would also rather have 78s than both of those.
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I think you are missing the point, or at least how I took it. It doesn't matter what Ansky's range is, what sucks is that if this guy views him as some scared satellite kid, he may put him on a tight range where AJ is the 2nd most likely hand in the range. Not saying we should fold, really that just isn't right. But there is a chance that his guess of hand, might be correct. Since Ansky would have quickly realized if this guy was a very good lag, I assume his post flop play involves a lot of range guessing.
So we call, but I may not set up the post flop play to get all-in with one pair.
Really that comes down to how bad this guy is, but if is blindly aggressive, none of that matters, we stack off with TP
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10-12-2007, 12:03 AM
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#200
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters
On the flop, I think B3B works pretty often.
I don't think he expects that you would fold a K. But he probably doubts you lead with one too.
This isn't a great spot for him to float with air, since you could lead the turn, and depending on bet sizes, would be getting 2-1 to call a push. I think he is much more likely to try to bluff the flop, if he is bluffing. If he flat calls, I think his range has a lot of hands that beat A high. It is just a guess, but I think we gain more letting him reraise bluff the flop than we do by folding out bad 1p hands.
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10-12-2007, 12:25 AM
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#201
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters
He bets pretty much his entire range on the turn, check-call.
River, sure our line fits a flush, but it also fits a enough hands that will fold to his river push. Plus there aren't that many hands he is checking behind that he would have called a bet with. Basically, unless he has an A, some kings, or 88-JJ, we make more money letting him bluff. I think he still bets 2p type hands here.
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07-04-2012, 12:23 PM
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#202
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grinder
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters
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Originally Posted by mastr
i'm actually serious that I don't think we should have raised pre. I think limp is strictly better given ToS at our table. we then get to choose if we want to reraise after TOS's guaranteed raise or call and let him have the lead for the entire hand. Either way it seems much much better then us initially raising
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ok scotty
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07-04-2012, 01:15 PM
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#203
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old hand
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters?)
LOL I got owned hard by this bump
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07-04-2012, 03:25 PM
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#204
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters?)
Cliff notes: mastr is better than everyone else, betgo hasn't changed in five years to the surprise of nobody
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07-04-2012, 04:54 PM
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#205
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters?)
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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
Cliff notes: mastr is better than everyone else, betgo hasn't changed in five years to the surprise of nobody
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Yeh, seriously, I should probably not have posted in threads like this. Way out of my league.
Mastr was my teacher until he won a bracelet event and told me he didn't have time for lessons. I probably wasn't capable of learning anything from him, but I did teach him to limp.
Wow, this was when HSMTT was HSMTT. Think durrr posted in this thread. Also, the dark ages with 3x opens and 2.8x 3-bets.
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07-04-2012, 09:21 PM
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#206
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters?)
haha betgo. I feel like I would almost never lead here but think it's pretty cool and maybe it's optimal IDK. I think check call down is the only possible option after that.
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07-08-2012, 08:20 PM
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#207
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters
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Originally Posted by gobbo
Betgo, you're pretty much thinking on the 2nd level against people thinking on the fifth level. Do you not think that Ansky understands legitimate raising ranges/calling ranges with legitimate people. He's already given you reads for the situation. Not calling with AJs here would be terrible.
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prob my fav post in the history of 2p2
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07-08-2012, 08:46 PM
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#208
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters
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Originally Posted by ebet33
prob my fav post in the history of 2p2
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Yeh, I post good stuff here about math strategy and so on preflop issues, but I am not top-level with postflop play or x-betting wars between top players and probably shouldn't post on that sort of thing.
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