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Old 06-23-2012, 02:05 PM   #1
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Sticky final table spot

350 buy in live tournament on Vegas strip.

Blinds 2k/4k/400.

8 players left. I am 3rd in chips with 205K. Villain has me slightly covered with 225K. There are a few short stacks, but nobody really desperate and levels are 40 mins. Table seems fairly tight overall. Villain and I had played together previously and he seems to be fairly conservative. However, he just won a pot after c/r the chip leader on the flop, so he is not scared money. He may think I am playing a little too loose.

I raise UTG with AK to 10K (fairly standard raise size for me). Folds to villain who flats in SB. BB folds

Flop (27200) AKJ. Villain checks. I c-bet 14K villain flats

Turn (65200) 3 I bet 30K villain calls

River (125200) 7 Villain shoves for 180K

Questions : Call or fold river? Should I be betting bigger on flop and turn?
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:12 PM   #2
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Re: Sticky final table spot

call! I'd bet 19k on the flop and 42k on the turn
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:17 PM   #3
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You have to bet bigger ott (at least 40k) to have less than pot size bet otr
also get some live tells and if he doesnt look like super strong call, he should raise QT somewhere, you block (with J:h on the board) many combos of hands that could be calling the flop that are getting on the river, so basically the board bricks
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:59 PM   #4
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This feels like a strong hand to me... the line is weird, but you mentioned this guy being somewhat tight, not being crazy, and I would be a little surprised if he's bluff-shoving more than pot on the river after ck-calling flop and turn.

I think backdoor hearts are totally possible here. Something like KhQh/Qh9h/10h9h. I agree Q10 usually raises at some point, but I wouldn't just rule it out either. He also might feel as if he's being conservative with two-pair and just calling until he knows he has faded straight cards and clubs and then he's going with it on the river.

Nothing really fits his line that well... but I don't think he's ever ck-calling two streets with air to bluff-ship river. So if we're good on the river, what did he ck-call with on the flop and turn... gutshots or clubs, I guess? It just seems like that's pretty random spew if we have no read on this guy being spewy like that. I would generally fold here absent different player-typing or some sort of major live read.
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Old 06-24-2012, 06:18 AM   #5
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How quickly did villain shove river?
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Old 06-24-2012, 06:32 AM   #6
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Villain shoved fairly quickly after the river was revealed
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Old 06-24-2012, 06:35 AM   #7
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Villain shoved fairly quickly after the river was revealed
Then i call pretty quickly... also turn sizing 42k or so
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Old 06-24-2012, 07:05 AM   #8
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For people saying call, what are you putting villain on? Not being argumentative, but genuinely interested (and starting to think I might be wrong, so I want to get more details). Does villain have a busted flush draw or gutshot draw? A pair turned into a bluff? AQ/A10 that does an unknowing donk merge? Worse 2-pair shipping for value?

If you think villain is weak on the river, what do you think villain's range is in this spot after he shoves river?
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:40 AM   #9
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I fold river and sizings are fine
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:49 AM   #10
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You have the Ah, so I would think the only hand you're terribly worried about is Kxhh. Preflop tendencies probably come into play here. Is he the type who flats a ton of hands pre? If he doesn't, you'd think KQhh or KThh could be his only combos that beat you, but some droolers in these low buyin tournies will just randomly flat K4s and **** like that with no regard to position. Ultimately, I just don't see how you can fold for that very reason. People just do so many weird, illogical things in these tournies. If you didn't have the Ah, I'd probably say it's closer to a fold.
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:47 PM   #11
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Re: Sticky final table spot

Thanks everyone for the feedback. He didn't seem the type to flat any Kx suited hands worse than KTs and it seemed like if he had QTs or JJ he would have raised before we got to the river, so the only hands that I was worried about were KQhh and KThh. Then again he also seemed like the kind of guy that wouldn't go all in on a bluff with shorter stacks around and given my position I could have a set or top two a lot, so I don't think he expected me to fold much. In game I called and he had KQhh, In hindsight I wished I had bet flop more so I could overbet jam the turn.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:40 PM   #12
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Re: Sticky final table spot

why would u ever fold? lol
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:01 AM   #13
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Still thinking this is a fold... without any read that villain is spewy (in fact we have the opposite read thinking he's somewhat conservative), what is his range ck-calling two streets on this board and then overpot shipping river? That range has to be heavily weighted to nut or near-nut hands. And some of those hands (like a K and heart draw) are certainly possible given his line. I assume if we think our hand is good here, we're putting him on missed draws (since it seems pretty weird for him to ever take this line for value with worse), but that really seems pretty unlikely to me. What are the chances this somewhat conservative player whom we haven't seen get out of line actually check-called two streets with a gutshot or something and then just spew-donkjammed the river deep in a live mtt? We might have top two pair, but I can't imagine we're good here very often.
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:51 AM   #14
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v got so often KQhh here... I'd fold...
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Old 06-26-2012, 05:10 AM   #15
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Ewwwww. No clue what I'd do. KQhh is pretty much the only value combo he shows up with.
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