Hand 1:

Day 1. Table is very good. A few other decent players at the table, the two best ones are immediately to my right and across from me. Both playing straight-forward, neither one seems to want to get into it with me particularly (although right before break, the player on my right did 4b/f to me). Two to the right is a huge spot at the table, probably playing like 40/2 and has very obvious tells when he's strong. Otherwise fairly tight table. Various players at the table probably think of me as either good, tough, aggro, stationy, maniac, idiotic, and spazzy. I've bet and called a big x/r on AA7T5 with QQ, flatted a 4b with 9Ts, been isolating the big fish relentlessly, 3b the most of anyone at the table (the only ones that went to showdown being the QQ and 9Ts), especially with said fish in the pot, cold 4b the player on my right once and 5b the 4b last hand before break.

Anyway, Euro shows up recently, cold 4-bets my first 3-bet BB vs SB vs BU, also 3-bets me once. I peeled both and folded flop quickly both times.

I open HJ with Ad4x to 1200 at 250/500, he calls in the CO with ~55K, BB who is one of the other decent players peels, I have ~88K to start the hand.

Flop is Ah5d6d, BB checks, I think this street is close, I decided to bet 2200 mostly to keep my range uncapped and varied. HJ calls, BB folds.

Turn is the 8d, I...? I think there are decent arguments for bet and x/c, and some valid but probably optimistic arguments for x/r and empty the clip.


Hand 2:

Got moved to a new table early in day 2. I've opened a couple of pots, nothing out of the ordinary. I've called two opens I think. The first one, against villain in this hand, I peeled in the BB and x/r on KdTd4x and he folded. The other one, I called pre out of the SB and x/c x/x x/f on KQdd4xcTc. The only other hand that went to showdown, I min raised on the button, Kitty Kuo called out of the SB, I checked back QT7r, she bet 5d turn and checked Ad river with J9hh. I checked back and won with Q8o.

Main villain in the hand is Mediterranean-looking, if I had to guess one country I'd say Israeli. He's been most active player at the table. He b/c a x/r on J96ssd, called a Qd turn, and checked back a Tx river and flashed 8d when he lost to KT. He also cold-4b the MP 3b of an EP open when the 3-bettor had ~30 BBs and got two folds.

I have no idea if villain recognizes me or not. A lot of people have told me they don't so far this trip. If he doesn't know who I am, he probably thinks I'm some local Spanish fish. For reference, this is what I looked like today: https://www.facebook.com/EuropeanPok...type=3&theater

Young Scandi looking guy opens in MP, he was the 3-bettor in the cold 4b hand. He's been snug, but recently jammed over opens in two hands vs LP Kitty Kuo opens and now has ~30 BBs so may be opening up more. Israeli-looking guy flats with piles. I am in the BB with 45K and call with KsTs.

Flop is KJ3r, Scandi x, other guy bets 2800 into 8K. I call.

Turn is off-suit 8, I check, 7800. I tank a little, fumble with chips, stare at him and call.

River is a 5, I check, he asks to see how much I have and I move my hands, it's 31-32K with one yellow 25K chip. He doesn't think for long and moves in a stack of blues to cover.

I got through the 1st hand. I prefer a sizable check raise on the turn due to his aggression and probably bets hands like 87 76 or even a better A w/ a diamond. Plus it slows him down for later.

2nd hand: You could fold turn and not think about it. I usually get to river and end up calling in that environment. I think playing K10 is best for 2 pair or better and against weak players 3 to a flop.

just a hu, ept pic prob doesnt work for everyone, but it was easy enough to find

whats 9 times f? imo

I think you should keep betting after you bet flop in hand 1.
I don`t think you should expect him to raise turn often but if you c/c he probably shutdowns with all of his rubbish when you hit another diamond and its hard for him to have many good diamond broadways to bet twice (t+r).

you always post the most gut wrenching spots which never seem to have a clear answer

hand 1: agree that flop is close but i like cbetting, x/c caps your range so much at 1pair hands and cbetting keeps your range 100% open. x/r turn and bomb river is def optimistic given the budding dynamic between the two of you at this table, how narrow the value range that you're repping is, and the fact that he probably knows who you are. lots of things making it tough for him to fold good hands. as played, don't think he's ever b/f anything ott and anything he calls your turn x/r he prob stations river as well.

betting the turn runs off all his floats but he may not be floating too wide to begin with...once again i think x/c really narrows your range to Ax, and as such he'll be likely to size turn and play near perfect on most rivers. at the same time, if he doesn't float the flop much then betting the turn is just resulting in valuetowning yourself a ton, but your range is still potentially wide open. think i like ~4800/c turn and x/f non-diamond rivers, but meh

hand 2: guessing blinds are like 500/1000/100? i think the only value combos you lose to are 33, KJs, and maybe KQ. it would be criminal for him not to 3b AK pre given history and depth and he seems more competent than to just click buttons w 88 on this flop. when he flashed the 8s earlier i'm guessing he had like T8ss so i wouldn't be surprised to see him bet flop and bomb off with T9s here, as well as the obvious QTs. getting a tad worse than 2 to 1 and i'm gonna eliminate KQ because it makes more sense for him to size smaller or x/c river with it, i think you're basically breaking even on a call here

board: KcJh3d8s5s

KsTs 37.50%
QTs,T9s,KJs,33 62.50%

hand 1 - I'd just check flop - dont think being capped is a concern with your hand/this board, we miss value from bluffs, and get into odd spots when the CO calls......Id just x/c turn - x/r seems like a disaster if we assume his turn betting range is extremely polar which seems reasonable.....if you have the image I wouldn't mind a big bet/overbet OTR if he checks the turn but you probably don't

hand 2 - tough spot - you have a ton of Kx and he should know that.....id prob fold unless you feel hes overbluffing these spots

in hand 2 we have more Jx than Kx and we don't have AK, all is supporting logic for him to follow through with a river bomb imo

re: hand #1, just talked to a friend who grinds high-ish stakes cash online, he likes x/c turn and x/c riv...he disagrees that x/c turn makes our hand as face up as i initially thought. i'm not so sure this is true (maybe it is?) but now that it's been a few more hours since i woke up, i'm starting to see how utterly hopeless betting the turn is. think i like x/c turn a lot more now and prob just decide river based on sizing/gameflow/perceived tendencies of spewiness or nonbelief, etc

yeh I agree pre we do, but think we fold most Jx OTT

These hands are interesting but reflect an issue that I imagine makes NSB's variance go through the roof. The problem is that these spots should be really thin in general and there's a lack of information that makes it difficult to handle the situation correctly. In MTTs it's kind of a disaster to have to be c/c it off getting like 2 to 1 where you'll be good maybe 37% of the time. These are made up #s but calling it off as a dog even with an edge is a long term recipe for disaster in MTTs.

Hand 1 I'd probably c/c my entire range on flop, as played probably c/c turn depending on sizing and likely c/f river. Hand 2 probably c/c flop c/f turn. I just don't like playing a c/c guessing game when you have unlimited creativity to use range warfare, sizing and manipulation in better spots to really outplay opponents and get more value as an aggressor. Even when not the aggressor there are better spots to take a defensive line.

If you get blown off by a worse hand in both it's not a disaster because they obviously will have better hands a lot, and if they're the type that just can't help themselves to barrel off then you still have time to adjust and tweak your range in future hands to go into c/c mode. I'd be shocked if these guys thought they could bluff you with any degree of success when you seem to be heroish and sticky. Obviously I'm not a fan of cash game style play in MTTs that demand a number of gross call downs, simply because of stack preservation and the fact that most live MTTers just aren't pushing every small edge and have leaks all over the place that can be exploited fairly easily.

The A4 spot is really annoying, I would just c/f but I'd also fold pre and c/c flop and in general play more snug in such a soft field

KT seems like a clear fold on the river unless you have a specific read like he's only valuebetting top2+ with that sizing and is bluffing a lot.

After more thinking about the A4 hand I think I should bet 60% of the pot on turn and 180% of it on blank rivers.

Also IDK what the hell is wrong with Rep_lol's sim but he listed four value combos and 6 bluff combos and somehow I have 37% equity.

Id check/call the flop in 1. I'd check/call the turn as played. I like your plan for overbetting the river if you do bet the turn but you have such a safe valuebet on the river if it checks back that I prefer a check.
In 2 i'd call the river as I expect him to be betting too much on the flop once the scandi gives up on this texture and it doesnt have to narrow that much on the turn for there to be heaps of bluffs still there

hmm maybe not.

i want to do something funky in hand 1, i just cant give myself good enough reasoning for any funky line.

Youre right, that sim is garbage and giving villain KJss for 5 value combos even tho we have Ks and prob the Ts for bluffs as well. Good eyes, guess i won't be using this thing on the fly anymore (propokertools)

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what is that mean x/c?

That's a bad attitude to have. If a machine gives you a wrong result you much more likely did something wrong with the input. In this case you entered QxTs instead of QsTs QhTh QdTd QcTc etc. It removes all combos of QT in this case because the Ts is already in the KT hand.

board: KcJh3d8s5s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
KsTs 60.00% 6 0
QcTc,QhTh,QdTd,Tc9c,Th9h,Td9d,KdJd,33 40.00% 4 0

Same as c/c, or check/call.

X/f turn seems awful with A4, are you planning on having an empty bluff range? If not this seems like literally the first hand we should add to our bluffs.

Not really, we have showdown value and almost no equity when behind. You can only fire A4 here if you fire river huge too, otherwise you just don't get many better hands to fold. Even then having Ad4x or KdQx or 57hh are all hands that make more sense to bluff imo. Ax4d you can just check and hope he checks back 99 or 67 and win.

My fault, looked at it for 20 minutes and didnt notice it

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We have Ad4x.

Ad4x, empty the clip

KTs , snap call