Nope. It just depends how many bluffs you'd like to be able to have here. If you deem it a really attractive spot to bluff where you'll get a fold a lot, then in order to bluff with all the combos you want to you'll have to have a lot of hands in your value range.

We only need to achieve balance between bluffs and value bets- therefore thin vbets will only start to get added into our betting range if we decide we need to have a lot of bluffs.

You really think hes going to do a huge river x/r knowing that half our range snaps it right off and the other half will call some % of the time? He also needs to worry about us having AK/TT/77 - maybe hero doesn't 3b AK 100% of the time with these stacks, maybe hero calls with 77 a lot more then he calls with KJ, and maybe hero turns TT into a bluff and snaps off to the river bluff.....its a terrible spot for him to turn Ax into a bluff imo

can we have the results??

All of our reasonable flop floats now have varying degrees of SDV (AQ/AJ/AT/QJ/QT), strengthening our betting range OTR. This makes him less likely to call lightish (Ax), and more likely to bluffraise the weaker parts of his range (cause while strong our range is also capped).

Most of his value hands (AK/AA + KTs that boated up, assuming there's still a suited combo left) have the board crushed/blocked, so it makes sense to check turn with them to maximize vs floats (and coolered hands will often bet themselves anyway, so not much value lost vs those).

We need to call 120k to win ~370k so need to win ~1/3. AK/AA are 7 combos (and we could add like .5 77/KTs/TT combos), so we need him to have at least 4-5 bluff combos. Best options for him are A7s (2 combos) and AT (9 combos), and AQ/AJ (+ maybe QQ/QT/JJ should he ever get to the river with them) are also possible, so he def CAN have enough bluff combos to make this a call.

If villain is good we need to have a calling range. KTs and 77 are better hands in our range, but it makes sense to call KQ before calling 77 as us having 77 blocks A7s and means he can have more AK/KTs combos. KTs are 1 or 2 combos, and given the big range of hands we could be betting river with (most Kx, QJ, 77, Ax trying to fold out chops, ...) it makes sense to call with more than those 1-2 combos.

Pablito, there is no way in hell some mtt guy would balance his river range with those bluff combos you mentioned, let's not lie to ourselves, mtters in those spots are heaviliy weighed towards nuts.

I would 3b this hand pre, because I am guessing you are not flatting QQ/KK/AA in that spot pre, right?

As played, unless we are against a fish, it's a two streets affair. Either check behind turn (because you are going to be checking tons of hands behind on the turn), or had you chosen to bet turn, check behind river, because now you are going for real thin value hoping that V has exactly KJ or AQ/AJ that he stubbornly calls when you have zero bluffs or worse in your call/bet/bet line. Easy fold, but hand was misplayed.

well that settles it

not going back to WSOP any time soon.

^ well yea. It's a year away now

Also since we never are nutted villain can rly just go ahead and *** w us and we can never rly call except for like ttt (since we rarely will have kt and only the suited combos) So in this spot when your prty capped and villain has every nut combo in his range Making this thin Value bet isn't so good.
And 100% sure oop is quite aware of this, he could rly just take a hand like ax and decide his hand sucks as a bluff catcher but blocking your nut boats just say f u arrr in since he still
Has Aaa/kkkk and ak fh quite in his range.

I had JJ

Well played.

Blockers + capped range = pwnage

Lol!! It took quite a bit of effort holding out trying to protect your identity.

Wp boss

cf turn immed

Hehe thx for posting. Would think those would x/f turn a lottt

I was expecting villain to float me on the flop pretty wide, and I figured if he floated me with Ace high on the flop, then he most likely would check back turn, so I think most of his range is air and Kings and we were still super deep and figured I could check shove river because his range was capped, and it's pretty hard for me to be bluffing

Cool hand.

flat_2_****

YOUR FULL OF $HIT!!!!

Why do u say this? Willing to put $ on it?

Even if i was willing to put money on it, You can't prove it. If you really did have Jacks you are a str8 wizard.

raising this flop is crazy

Let's put a small wager that I have a text message on same day as 10k 6m with this exact HH...

$3.50 here

I balance all my bluff ranges