BBV is over there ---->

i just dont see how there is an argument for turning down a chance to double under the assumption that ull have 75% w one card to come.

those people are wrong

the best player in this tournament should not be passing up 75/25s

Folding pre here isn't bad. No real point in raising the turn as it folds out hands that would either c/c a river bet or bet river themselves and gets calls from flushes that beat you and draws to better flushes. Villain still bet 1/3 pot+ ott so if he's drawing to a flush he isn't getting the correct odds to do so anyways. Easy flat ott and then fold to 4 flush river bets most times.

As played though, yeah he prob shows up with sets and AKh here often enough to gii

I think your just being results oriented...You got the chips in really good and you just got unlucky....Move on

3-bet pre

Please don't. Folding pre >> other options.

As played, just flat the turn, this silly thread got really out of hand, raising turn is a disaster this deep. Raising turn an then calling off all-in without very particular notes on a villain is a major spew, you are just spinning a roulette here.

Doubling up at the very first level is cool and stuff, but basic ICM will tell you that risk of busting such a huge stack outweighs doubling it up at the super early stage.

I wonder if villain had flipped over something like JTdd, 3rd nuts, leaving you with 0%, would you make a thread here, asking how idiotic was your play?

5k$ buy-in and it feels like I am reading about a hand from Bigger 22.

Most 65 year old guys don't raise jack 10 suited UTG in a 5k event........Also the 10 of hearts was on the board so he couldn't of had that. His UTG raising range is 10s+ and AK+

I don't understand why people say don't raise the turn. Yes pot control. But this old guy is rarely folding the turn. Do you think he Is going to fold AxQh? Or AAA? The answer is definately NO. He might even call AQ with no hard. You raise the turn to build the pot so you can fire 11K on the river.

What makes this a bit interesting is that nobody expected the old guy to shove here. It is extremely unlikely, but it happened in this situation.

Why fold pre ?? 3b pre > flat > fold imo. Just flat the turn bet

Well, most old people don't 3b jam two pair on a 3 flush board some would say, but it's all just silly assumptions. I mean, whatever flush combo there is - he could have it.

3betting or flatting pre this deep has huge reversed implied odds, I wonder how is that not clear.

This. Not raising turn seems crazy to me. As someone else stated we are building the pot and raising for value because this random old guy is going to bet/call way lighter than he should be and we are building the pot for a nice size river value bet

Edit: I think we can make this AJ+. Which is another reason we are raising. He's very likely to bet/call with AJ/AQ especially with a heart and maybe even without

He 3bet with top 2 plus the nut blocker. Obviously he isn't doing this only top 2 but he's definitely bet/calling with AK no heart. He isn't good enough to fold that. Raising to a random huge scary looking size with the nut blocker and AK (way more equity against me than with a set) is pretty standard in 2015 5k live events even if he is just a random old dude

Did you or anyone else take being a freezeout into consideration in this hand? To me that matters a bit as this tournament has a lot of soft spots. I might be a little upset with myself if I went bust the 2nd hand with 45hh and couldn't rebuy. Especially when the old guy shows up with a flush. After all random old dudes in south florida do some random, dumb **** that doesn't make sense.

When he has the flush do we just say we ran into the top of his range and call it a cooler?

how is using the nut blocker as a bluff when you have a very strong value hand standard in 2015?

This thread is all over the place. Fsu played the hand exactly like you should in a cash game, and some would argue that the early stages of a tournament should be played almost identically as a cash game. That means your main goal is to accumulate chips and make +EV decisions. worry about survival/stack preservation more when you're close to the bubble.

That being said, flatting turn and making sure another heart, A or K doesn't come on the river isn't a bad option either. I'd still expects river calls from most of V's range if you value bet up to pot.

I'm surprised more posters don't see how standard of a play this is with "random old guys" who generally have a (super) TAG style. They think "my pre-flop hand selection is so solid that when I flop something big, I'm not ever going to consider that I could be beat." I see this almost daily in cash games with old folks "shoving in denial" and losing everything with AA, KK, third or fourth nuts, etc.

Turns probably a clear raise. On whether turning down a 75/25 or w/e for double stack early in a tourney is kind of interesting. At first glance I would kind of guess that people who would rather pot control than go for the double are overestimating their edge but who knows you can have massive rois live. You could just take a guess at your roi with a 60k stack and what it is with 25k and figure it out. With a theoretical roi of 100% w/ 25k stack you would need to have a 133% roi w/ double stack to make it worth it. I think thats right anyways assuming 75% equity when you gii. Also the higher your roi is I would imagine it would be slightly harder to increase it by the same ratio, ie 200% roi would have to be 266% w/ a double. Wonder if thats even right.

Op, I thought your read of 1 of 3 hands of AxKh in that spot was really good. In hind sight, it is even more obvious.

Can't go wrong doubling up here. It's a game changer.