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SB w/99 vs Button 3bet SB w/99 vs Button 3bet

09-21-2016 , 06:51 AM
Ok guys this a Sunday mtt played on ps.es with 1 re-entry (not longer available), we´re like 30 away from ITM or something.
Opr was a random , but played decent so far, but opening a lot in MP, and folded to 3bets (he did 4bet me once, where i folded).
BU is a Supernova LAG reg, way out of line w/ 3bets, playin a lot of pots IP, opening a lot etc. (even tho i stopped using a HUD, i have notes/tags)
I´ve been active but not out of line, went to showdown w/ good hands so far.
Sooo, what´s your play here? I kinda hate everything tbh, but i would like to know what´s best here and why?
Feel free to ask for more info


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $90.65 Buy-in (350/700 blinds, 85 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37436604

MP2: 47,647 (68.1 bb)
MP3: 32,834 (46.9 bb)
CO: 18,264 (26.1 bb)
BTN: 25,173 (36 bb)
Hero (SB): 53,011 (75.7 bb)
BB: 14,309 (20.4 bb)
UTG+1: 19,493 (27.8 bb)
UTG+2: 15,995 (22.9 bb)
MP1: 46,362 (66.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
3 folds, MP2 raises to 1,540, 2 folds, BTN raises to 4,200, Herooo?
09-21-2016 , 08:11 AM
As you described villains and yourself and given stacksizes i would happy 4B around 11K.
09-21-2016 , 09:52 AM
I think that 4betting to anything but all-in is kinda a mistake. You are not inducing, but you are narrowing a range of their 5bet shove as well potentially setting up a situation when 3better might just flat you with a speculative hand that equity against you.

Then again, we are 30 away from the money, when we shove and win we get about 25% more chips to our stack, which is not that significant, given that we have comfortable 36bbs and cruise into the money. If we shove and get called we are busting like every third time right on the bubble with a middle stack.

I advocate a fold here, although it's close. If you are just playing straight cev and don't care about icm in 100$ mtt, then vamoo gii.
09-21-2016 , 12:16 PM
Very simple spot, if btn is wide enough then easy 4b/call, if he's not wide enough you fold. Jamming is of course ridiculous, being 68bb deep with the IR.
09-21-2016 , 07:24 PM
haha, I thought we were the one with 36 bb, my bad

Disregard what I said in the first post.
09-22-2016 , 09:33 AM
Ok guys, thx, but what do you think his 5bet/jamm range looks here (without FE)
09-22-2016 , 11:47 AM
Of course once he 5bships we're behind his range but getting 4:1 or whatever we have to call it off. The profitability comes from all the times he has J8s, he folds and we pick up what's in the middle.
09-22-2016 , 02:32 PM
the problem with a spot like this is once you cold 4b your range is face up to anyone with a brain and this would be at the absolute bottom....its also very risky if your reads are incorrect.....without very good reads id dump it
09-22-2016 , 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z06Fanatic1
the problem with a spot like this is once you cold 4b your range is face up to anyone with a brain and this would be at the absolute bottom....its also very risky if your reads are incorrect.....without very good reads id dump it
Do i have a cc range?
Please expand SB w/99 vs Button 3bet

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09-22-2016 , 06:07 PM
I think anything good enough to flat is better to 4b/call, but you can try to flat KK+ trying to rep AQ or TT if you think they're really bad.
09-23-2016 , 06:23 PM
folding pre seems pretty good to me
09-28-2016 , 10:00 AM
cc is horrendous, with any holding for obvious reasons (esp not closing action w MP2 left to act)

you can prolly find lower variance/higher EV spots in a super soft ES major and put this one in the fold range (despite prolly netting somewhat positive EV in 4b/c)

is his sizing always this big when he "way out of line w 3bets" ? did he snap 3b (strong) or tank / w/e , is that in line with his usual MO ? how does he view you , any history , how about mp2 ?
09-28-2016 , 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aseHigh
cc is horrendous, with any holding for obvious reasons (esp not closing action w MP2 left to act)

you can prolly find lower variance/higher EV spots in a super soft ES major and put this one in the fold range (despite prolly netting somewhat positive EV in 4b/c)

is his sizing always this big when he "way out of line w 3bets" ? did he snap 3b (strong) or tank / w/e , is that in line with his usual MO ? how does he view you , any history , how about mp2 ?
Totally agree
Now as i said in OP no real reads on MP (as you know i´m more rec than reg), so don´t really know how he views me, as for BU he prob sees me competent w/ spewy tendencies
I was multitabling so no clue how fast he 3betted and all , usually yeah big 3bets (x2,5-2,7, wich i think is standard )
HUD will say BU is playing 27/20/14% 3bet
09-28-2016 , 02:04 PM
Was gonna write out a response then saw Soepgroente already nailed it. OP would be wise to listen to those replies imo. 4b to call off the LAG reg who's "way out of line w/ 3bets, playin a lot of pots IP, opening a lot etc." Obviously we can fold if opener 5b's. And again just repeating Soepgroente, the profit from 4 betting comes from the massive amount of FE we should have vs the 3 bettor, not from being thrilled about getting the money in vs him once he 5b's.
09-29-2016 , 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OutPlayU27
Totally agree
Now as i said in OP no real reads on MP (as you know i´m more rec than reg), so don´t really know how he views me, as for BU he prob sees me competent w/ spewy tendencies
I was multitabling so no clue how fast he 3betted and all , usually yeah big 3bets (x2,5-2,7, wich i think is standard )
HUD will say BU is playing 27/20/14% 3bet

14%3B(with a reasonable sample) is more than enough to gii with him.
Id probably only pass on the spot if mp2 is very thight.
10-02-2016 , 10:10 AM
4bet/call imo.
10-04-2016 , 04:39 AM
I can´t find the HH for some reason
Well i did 4bet to something like 10555 or w/e, MP folded, BU snap jammed, i hate my life but getting 11234:1 and call
Spoiler:
Tudor and @lolposting nailed it and we should prob fold, but seems close tho.
V has AK and lose the flip, but life goes on

Last edited by OutPlayU27; 10-04-2016 at 04:41 AM. Reason: thx everyone :)
10-23-2016 , 01:19 AM
This seems relevant to this hand, about the 6:30 mark of this vid, Vanessa Selbst and Jesse Sylvia talking about a similar situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCTUgX1akI
10-28-2016 , 12:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by astro39
This seems relevant to this hand, about the 6:30 mark of this vid, Vanessa Selbst and Jesse Sylvia talking about a similar situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCTUgX1akI
Really good analysis from both players (Sylvia and Selbst)
Thx

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