There's 9 left in the 320 6max. I've been playing aggressive. Villain is chip leader and playing very aggressive.

I start the hand with 40bbs he started with 60.

I raise to 1000 @ 250/500 with a6ss he 3bets the button (he had very high 3b %) and I called.

Flop 655fd (I don't have bdfd)

I check and he bets 2250.

If I call turn will be 10k pot 15k stacks.

How do we proceed and with the rest of our range is it fine to have a calling range on the flop? How do we play our draws etc?

Generally just a spot I was lost in.

What was his 3b sizing?

i don't understand this post

Sorry he made it 2250 pre.

So did he still bet 2250 on the flop?

Que

I'd rather not have a raising range than no calling range

any reason to not just post the hand?

u dont say what pos you are either fwiw

Do you have a raising range is the biggest question here, probably a very small one if any. The majority of the range you continue with should be calls

what was ur plan on missed flops? prob should have a raising range on the flop, albeit an exploitative one

So what did you have when A6 jammed?

this is the hand.

http://weaktight.com/6940906

sorry for before <3

Chocolate Pudding.

vs. a tough 3b range I don't know if flatting PF is that good a proposition with these stacks out of position. Vs some 20% 3b range that is balanced (55+ A2s+ ATo+ QTs+ QJo KTo+ T8s+ 97s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s) A6s is only 46% equity and even if your entire r/c range is something like 22-99 A2s-AJs AJ-ATo KTs+ QTs+ JTs you're about 49% vs that range.

I'd lean to 4b or fold preflop because he gets to showdown cheaply more often than you do and you won't hit an A or better enough of the time to justify being out of position even if he bluffs off sometimes with nothing. If flop comes Axx and you c/c a bet I doubt he barrels off too light nor calls off light too often for stacks.

On this flop I lean more toward c/r to induce rather than jam. He needs to be cbetting nearly his whole range if he's 3b wide to make this okay though, since he will still have 47 combos of sets, quads and overpairs which should be about 18% of his range. He shouldn't have a ton of 5x but by c/r to induce you allow him to punt off a bit more lightly than by shoving, since in theory you could have a c/r/f range here.

I'd never call an aggressive players 3bet with A6, especially OOP. Depending on my image I'd either 4bet pre or fold. By calling here, you elect to play a very difficult hand OOP without the initiative and you can never know where you are at in the hand. If I had a somewhat tightish image, I would always 4bet here to 4900 and fold to a shove. If I had an aggressive image like you had prior to the hand, I would lean towards fold this one and lose just 2 bbs out of my 40 bb stack and move on. Against him, I would mostly 4bet hands I'm willing to call a shove with.

what do you mean "only 46%?" we're getting 4-1 immediate

folding pre is ludicrous. i'll let others elaborate

Keep folding pre guys, nothing to see here, just a grumpy old man trolling you.

Yes calling pre is obvious in a world where both players just check it down and see what happens. justifying the immediate odds is somewhat of a trap because vs. good players capping your range and being out of position gives you pretty bad reverse implied odds.

There are a ton of flop runouts that will give A6s about 40-45% vs his range but GL playing those out of position even if you get again immediate 2 or 2.5 to 1 odds to call on flop. Often you end up in a spot where you have to hero river and be beaten a lot or bluff somewhere, so things just get gross. Obviously Axx flops will give you a nice edge but if stacks get in on these flops you're usually not doing so great. Vs. aggro 3bettor who doesn't adjust the best move is just open fold preflop especially with 9 left.

keep blatantly ignoring ICM and warring thin with chipleaders?

so what kind of odds do you need to continue here

open to 1k, folding to 1700? 1600? 1900?

you dont need to win em all

this.

probably time to start constructing a 2-4b-6b range at that point but opening A6s is pretty thin to begin with vs this type of villain without a clear plan in mind since someone who sizes like this is just declaring a range war on you.

so now we're down to open folding A6s in the cutoff, i really don't think this is ever correct

can you answer the question i initially proposed about what sizing is +EV to call? are you really suggesting we never call with A6s, regardless of how small he makes it?

chief, i think you post a lot of good stuff in this forum. you seem to have a good head on your shoulders. however, your position on this hand surprises me

The major point is that this is a serious ICM spot so you pay a tax every time you open and get 3b by chip leader villain.

So even if he's 3b some fairly wide range like 20% if you start flatting stuff that's not your whole opening range e.g. you'd be 4b AQ+ TT+ etc. you're getting into an unnecessary and probably losing ICM battle because your range is at best equal to his, and since there's little metagame involved there's not much reason to balance and A6s is at the bottom of your range so by flatting without having a positional edge or knowledge that villain makes egregious post flop mistakes this play has little merit w/ ICM involved IMO.

Opening in itself is probably fine if V has little to no flatting range because you have blockers and whatnot but I think in general hero can do better in this spot. To actually answer your question I don't know what the amount is I'd like to r/c here is because I think this hand is just a potential disaster to r/c period in this spot. If the guy is 3b super wide and not adjusting the obvious thing to do is just start opening super tight and have a really tiny r/f range.

I guess it's possible if he makes it like 1600 I could call and c/f like 80% of flops, but I feel like there are too many post flop spots where I'm going to have to put in tons of chips and have to make a close decision that could bust me or cripple me, and if I want to war with another stack at this point I want it to be a stack that I can bust or cripple myself, not the CL.

Other problems ensue when boards come Axx and villain can size you to death if you c/c flop and rep an A, he can pretty much put you in a nasty spot on turn if he has better Ax himself if he sizes right. If he has worse he could barrel again and just c/behind river and if this happens you're generally not winning much or losing the whole stack.

The whole argument sounds like playing pretty much equilibrium and that is going to get you into GROSS postflop spots vs guys who are variance nightmares. If you're good enough at this stuff on the fly and play perfect postflop then it's fine but lots of variables are going against hero here.