I get in a lot of spots like this early and really want to know what is our best option. No reads just starting to play and playing like 12 tables. Obviously i am probably a fish to everyone bc it is new account and only play mid stakes.
On the river what do i beat? Do i have to call they way i played it?
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1k/fold IMO. Although if you check and he bets that amount, I really don't see you beating anything, unless he floated 2 streets, which seems unlikely in level 1...
I wouldn't beat yourself up too bad over this hand. If you 4bet pre and he 5bets then you could fold. Not much you could do post flop on that particular board. although by the river he definitely isn't bluffing W/ AK.
He should 3bet here W/ JJ, KK, AA and AK and maybe TT. So you beat JJ, TT and AK and AA and KK beat you.
If you're 12 tabling I don't think theres much you can really do here. If you were 4-6 tabling then you could reasonably fold because I assume you'd be paying attention to player tendencies.
Doubt he`s taking that line with TT, JJ or even KK.
He definitely can bluff river w/ NFD blocker. The only reason why calling river can be an option.
Why isn't he taking that line with the hands you've listed above? it's early, he seems readless to OP and he 3bet pre. I guess he just flats TT and JJ and slows down on the river.
Does he put the breaks on with TT, JJ, or KK because of the potential flush?
He could be bluffing W/ the NFD blocker but we don't have any indication he would do that.
I think he understands we can`t have many flushes by the river with line we`ve taken, if he has Ac.
Indication is his river sizing.
After we called 2nd one we either got there otr or valuetowning him with better or wouldn`t call any significant bet anymore.
So what`s he trying to get value from? Pretty narrow part of our 2streets c/calling range which he`s ahead of.
I think he`d be snapped otr by some 33 or 97cc way more often by mid-stakes random than bluffed off his hand with worse.
Oh god I didn't even read the whole hand. I thought you were betting the whole way and c/c'd river. Well, let's say you 3b pre, bet flop, bet turn, and checked river. If he bets, I think you can fold
I think he understands we can`t have many flushes by the river with line we`ve taken, if he has Ac.
Indication is his river sizing.
After we called 2nd one we either got there otr or valuetowning him with better or wouldn`t call any significant bet anymore.
So what`s he trying to get value from? Pretty narrow part of our 2streets c/calling range which he`s ahead of.
I think he`d be snapped otr by some 33 or 97cc way more often by mid-stakes random than bluffed off his hand with worse.
So, the only reason calling river is an option is w/ the potential he's bluffing w the NFD blocker?
Shouldn't that make it less likely for us to call because there are more scenarios he's value betting here and only one where he is likely bluffing?
I'm just trying to grasp your thought process because I'm somewhat lost
Shouldn't that make it less likely for us to call because there are more scenarios he's value betting here and only one where he is likely bluffing?
Sorry, can`t see what this question has to do with my thought process.
And I can`t see more scenarios when he`s value betting, maybe you could elaborate a bit more about it.
If you are not sure whether or not you are ahead after the turn, and it certainly would be tough to know given that you have no history to go on, then what I would have done in your shoes is lead out for 600 on the river and fold to a raise. Making that play is more likely to get you to showdown. You basically turn their hand into a bluff catcher rather than as the value hand, if indeed, you are behind!
It also really does allow you to get away from the queens without a second thought (at least it would for me).
Very few opponents are going to raise you with AA,KK,JJ, and Ac Ko would have a hard time bluff raising it. It is the rare opponent who would take that chance given how wet that board is and the fact that it is so early in the tournament. Even a guy who was semibluffing and got there with a flush would have a hard time raising. The board is paired and they just might have run into a FH!
Yeah, he might have the Ac blocker but it would be so difficult to come over the top unless you are up against a maniac!
i kinda want to raise, maybe even shove the river. he can have some flushes, but i dont see too many. the point is, he prolly has pretty close to zero boat combos in his range and we can have a lot of them. given positions and stacks i just dont see him 3balling too light pre and even if he does have AKcc it doesnt seem to be too much different from JJ-AA cause his hand is just a bluffcatcher. dont see him snapping it off with a flush if we raise otr.
i kinda want to raise, maybe even shove the river. he can have some flushes, but i dont see too many. the point is, he prolly has pretty close to zero boat combos in his range and we can have a lot of them. given positions and stacks i just dont see him 3balling too light pre and even if he does have AKcc it doesnt seem to be too much different from JJ-AA cause his hand is just a bluffcatcher. dont see him snapping it off with a flush if we raise otr.
i kinda want to raise, maybe even shove the river. he can have some flushes, but i dont see too many. the point is, he prolly has pretty close to zero boat combos in his range and we can have a lot of them. given positions and stacks i just dont see him 3balling too light pre and even if he does have AKcc it doesnt seem to be too much different from JJ-AA cause his hand is just a bluffcatcher. dont see him snapping it off with a flush if we raise otr.
What we are repping when we raise or shove the river??
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