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09-22-2016 , 07:12 PM
PokerStars - $1000+$1000+$100|90/180 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Re8uZ (UTG): 10,264
Ceegee87 (UTG+1): 25,542 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)
Braver16 (MP): 20,006 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
RunThisTable (MP+1): 25,673 (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 13.41, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 82)
allucan3at (CO): 27,085 (VPIP: 15.74, PFR: 13.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 109)
blanconegro (BTN): 6,578 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 43)
J4d3dr4g0n (SB): 19,612 (VPIP: 16.30, PFR: 12.09, 3Bet Preflop: 9.76, Hands: 92)
P.Iv3Y (BB): 13,389 (VPIP: 17.17, PFR: 13.81, 3Bet Preflop: 6.85, Hands: 198)

8 players post ante of 25, J4d3dr4g0n posts SB 90, P.Iv3Y posts BB 180

Pre Flop: (pot: 470) Re8uZ has Q Q

Re8uZ raises to 450, fold, fold, fold, fold, blanconegro calls 450, fold, P.Iv3Y raises to 1,800, Re8uZ calls 1,350, blanconegro raises to 6,553 and is all-in, P.Iv3Y raises to 13,364 and is all-in, Re8uZ ????

BTN is Conor Drinan and he has 1500@ bounty

what range should we call here?
Spoiler:
i mean if we had BB covered (he had 1k kono btw) should be snap call obv but now idk it look kinda close to me

i mean if Conor has smt like 99(88)+AQs+ and he is flating some small % of KK/AA and very liltte AK
and if BB has kinda same range cos is KNO and i have note on him that he i wide in some spots 99+/AQ+ its more like break even call (btw cos we have QQ we are blovkin a ton of AQ comos)
09-22-2016 , 08:16 PM
what do you think conor's range is? Since he has no knockout equity it seems odd that he wouldn't 3b his stronger hands preflop. Calling QQ+ AK here seems fine tbh and you are at the absolute top of your range that r/c preflop.
09-22-2016 , 10:29 PM
When you call here, do you think P.Iv3Y will be at the bottom of his perceived range??
You are blocking a ton of AQ like you mentioned. So it is unlikely you are up vs that, plus Conor is shoving on you[btw what do you think your image is at the table(according to stats)]

I think the " flating some small % of KK/AA and very litte AK" makes a lot of sense. But even that range would be blocking a lot of the hands that P.Iv3Y would be 5-betting with. Conor has a pretty standard 3-bet %(very small sample tho), he is flatting your raise and shoving on the 3-bet, how often would you think he is squeezing here??

What do you think is P.Iv3Y 5-bet range? You are the initial raiser, you get a Call- a raise - you call- Conor shoves(36bbs) I doubt P.Iv3Yi is ever weak here.
(anyhow what I wanna know, what do you think is P.Iv3Y worst hand here)

I'm only calling QQ(feeling sick about it)+ , and AK sometimes.
09-22-2016 , 11:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Re8uZ
BTN is Conor Drinan and he has 1500@ bounty
pretty sure he`s Connor Drinan

Quote:
Originally Posted by Re8uZ
i mean if we had BB covered (he had 1k kono btw) should be snap call obv but now idk it look kinda close to me
Dont you think its some kind of incomplete logic?
I mean other players also understand meaning of chips advantage in such spots thus it should respectively affect their ranges.
So when you`re covering others its not just you get additional bounty value when you win but it probably also implies you will be facing tighter gii ranges.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Re8uZ
i mean if Conor has smt like 99(88)+AQs+ and he is flating some small % of KK/AA and very liltte AK
Generally a weird spot, I would be surprised if blanco backraises w/ 88,99 or AQs here.

Seems there`s 15.5k in main pot w/ you having to call off 4.5k.
You have 32.5% 3way (vs JJ/AK(BB) and I assigned Blanco 50% of AA-JJ, all AKs and TT) which is more than enough to call it off and you chop side pot vs JJ/AK.

BB needs to somehow flat JJ to make it really close for you (seems still ok w/ bounty) but you`re toast if Blanco has QQ+ exclusively.
09-23-2016 , 02:05 AM
I don't know how mr. Drinan does not have KK/AA in this spot 100% of the time. Looks like best case scenario is that blanco is blocking Iv3y's AK with his KK/AA. Worst case scenario is that Iv3Y has KK/AA and it's game over for us.
09-23-2016 , 12:28 PM
OP asked: What range should you call here? I don't think there's a range that should be calling here, if you don't have AA or KK then the next hand to call with would be QQ, but I don't think you're ever ahead here with that.

The flat OTB is interesting, do you think he flats AA or KK there? Also, how was the BB playing? Aggro? Also have to factor in the bounty which is big. Could BB be shoving light here considering it was a UTG raise? I think you capped yourself with the flat to BB 3 bet, so that could be factoring in maybe him shoving a bit light to try and iso the BTN and bounty. Very close but I think I find the fold button.
09-23-2016 , 01:51 PM
i prolly just call it off :/ ak is in there @ 100% frequency and theres lots of combos of that hand
plus theres alotta $ in there plus the 1k bounty
there will be some incentive for some lighter gii ranges here to get you out of the pot and go hu for the bounty
09-23-2016 , 05:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lolposting2016
i prolly just call it off :/ ak is in there @ 100% frequency and theres lots of combos of that hand
plus theres alotta $ in there plus the 1k bounty
there will be some incentive for some lighter gii ranges here to get you out of the pot and go hu for the bounty



Where do you get 100% from?
09-23-2016 , 05:51 PM
because every time either of these villains have ak they will likely play this way
09-23-2016 , 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by user12345
pretty sure he`s Connor Drinan



Dont you think its some kind of incomplete logic?
I mean other players also understand meaning of chips advantage in such spots thus it should respectively affect their ranges.
So when you`re covering others its not just you get additional bounty value when you win but it probably also implies you will be facing tighter gii ranges.

i think range is probably the same for BB even if i had him covered ones BTN GII

@onehandatatime i am not caped at all there i have 77+ ATs+ KQs when i flat
there

@lolposting2016 i agree that BB will play AK exactly the same way there imo

@all Connor show up with AQo(prety surprised there) and BB had AA
09-23-2016 , 06:28 PM
not the hand you wanted to see (aq)
09-23-2016 , 07:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Re8uZ
@all Connor show up with AQo(prety surprised there) and BB had AA
Yeah, pretty surprised he had a hand this strong. BB is the only one i'd be worried about.
09-23-2016 , 08:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soepgroente
Yeah, pretty surprised he had a hand this strong. BB is the only one i'd be worried about.
bc he`s on some charity mission - giving away stacks and bounties?
09-23-2016 , 08:41 PM
You're surprised Conor had a hand as strong as Aq? What kind of image does he have :S
09-23-2016 , 10:56 PM
I was surprised he had as weak hand as AQo, when is obv imo he has 0 fold eq and in very very optimistic scenario best he can get is flipping, he will always get called min in one spot,me or BB, and probably some of his outs well be dead (me folding some Ax/Qx stuff or bb 3bet folding some Ax, once in a blue moon he will be like ahead if BB fold and i have some AJs/ATs/KQs/QJs/JTs and obv call) and btw i just got moved on that table maybe one or 2 orbits max so no image info... i mean with pod odds, his bankroll etc he can sure afford to gii there but looks too optimistic to me atm tbh

Last edited by Re8uZ; 09-23-2016 at 11:03 PM.
09-24-2016 , 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by user12345
bc he`s on some charity mission - giving away stacks and bounties?
Maybe his nlhe game is tighter/better than the games I played him in? In my experience he's not easy to play against, but if you have something folding vs him would be absurd. Of course my comment was slightly exaggerated, but I'm not the least bit surprised he showed up with AQ here, and wouldn't have been shocked to see worse. Also can't imagine that if he slowplayed AA the first time he wouldn't just call again with that low of an SPR. This hand might be a fold, but only because we're behind the squeezer guy too often.
09-24-2016 , 11:06 AM
I would of thought each had min. JJ+/AK - AQ seems like a terrible jam in this spot.....I guess Connor thinks people are squeezing really wide - if that's the case then obv we can't fold QQ
09-24-2016 , 02:18 PM
That's what I thought, surprised mr. Drinan went in there so light, seems like a spew/gamble on his part. But P.Iv3y is quite nitty, isn't he? At any case, should've been a fold, surprised you ran into worst case scenario tho.
10-03-2016 , 08:10 AM
If this is a bounty tourney it's closer to a call.

If not I guess I fold as you don't really "HAVE" to flip here for your stack.

So awkward to just call and jam over another player. The whole hand is just played out weird.

Defiantly worth taking notes after this hand. I think with the bounty it's probably a call but not happy about it.
10-12-2016 , 02:04 AM
You are 57BBs deep with antes. QQ is good enough to call there. If it was 100BBs it would be another story, but at 57BBs you gotta call, because ranges are going to be looser.
10-12-2016 , 11:02 AM
BB is the one to be worried about. I don't see how you are behind initial callers range. If he has AK in his range (I have to do some math but it may be a call).

      
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