I think I agree with you. I was concerned about pushing preflop given villians loose calling range. His mp raise was 2.5 BB. His range was any pair, AT+
so I didn't want another race, and I was dominated vs big pairs, AK and AQ.

I doubt by 3betting I get him to fold in position. So I believe the end result is the same.

Donk betting all in on flop is poor just because I do not get value from worse hands. But given the cards, unless I was just going to play survial mode to move up a pay jump of about $3.7K, I probably was going to lose all my chips anyway.....

This was live event and I had no history on villian with the exception of first hand...

let me ask you something..

Which implies more strength (card value).. A 10xBB shortstack betting 3xBB into a field, or that stack moving in?

obviously a 3xbb into field, but in this case I had 22 bb on 2nd hand.

yeah .. i got mixed up. But lets say 22xbb. I think the answer is the same.

A shove is asking to be credited with fold equity while a bet says you don't need it, or you are not afraid of callers. In any case, we choose whatever move makes us appear weaker when we want to be called by weaker hands.

Also depends on relative stack sizes of course.. and you've been pretty stingy sharing that info. Was everyone on that table near like 20-30xBB deep? If so it makes a big difference, obviously.

Ahhhhhh, I see. So your plan is to overcome the MASSIVE -EV from folding QQ to one single MP raise with 22BB effective stacks by showing the fold, sitting out a 1 round penalty for exposing your cards with BB still to act, then hoping that MP adjusts and exploiting him through metagame with your huge 19 BB stack, with lots of maneuverability.



And if it's some silly metagame nonsense, why did you blather on about what if we flat and BB flats and OMG an A or K flops?

Stack sizes appx
Seat 1 11bb
Seat 2 hero
Seat 3 22bb
Seat 4 10bb
Seat 5 9bb
Seat 6 villian 30bb
Seat 7 45bb
seat 8 mt
seat 9 28bb

ya know.. i really don't care if you wanna pound on me all day long but it does bother me that you're willing to hijack the thread to do it. I gave you the courtesy of (imo) sensible, truthful answers without attacking you, and it would be nice if you'd either put me on ignore or ... dare I be so naive as to suggest it.. return in kind. I won't be involved in it further. This thread is not ours to use as a personal playground.

Joe, you have 13 of the 38 posts in the thread, I have 5. I don't think it's me derailing. And when you are giving directly incorrect advice in HSMTT, it's going to get called out. It's not personal.

Now I see why you didn't bother posting them. And a bet rather than a shove does appear to be the better move. You have a strong hand.

Flop is AJT rainbow.
Who would be remotely interested in calling the bet with that flop? Not small pairs. Ax perhaps. J9 and QT... actually any two Broadway. and then maybe 87 and 89. And we would welcome those callers.. or not?

Ur open shove is bad (I think u know that) its hard for many worse hands to continue c/r or leading is fine but I think i'd just shove pre from SB in that spot depending on reads.. joe has to be a level.. otherwise.. i just feel bad

Was a conscience decision not to shove pre flop due to pay jump. Also concerned that villian would call down light, since he had in the previous orbit with 55, One more player out and I am plus $3.7K.... I had been shoving pre most of prior day due to stack size of 8 to 12 BB. Got lucky, in that no one woke up with a big hand. Won a couple of coin tosses, and stayed alive to this point.

Brain went soft after the flop. Had been so used to shoving did not think it through....

However once the flop came with top 2, I was probably going to lose my stack in any event...

Oh well had a great tournament.