1k buyin, sitting on 22bb in SB. 2nd orbit of new table. No reads or history on any of players. Deep in the $. One player away from pay jump. Prior orbit on first hand of new table, had just won a race with villian, and doubled up short stake. Hero shoved 11 BB stack over villian raise with ATo. Villian tanked and called shove with 55. Won race with rivered flush.

One orbit later.
In SB with AJo. Same villian with 25BB raised in MP, hero calls, and BB calls. Flop comes AJTr. Top 2! Hero shoves, BB folds, villian calls with KQ, and hero busts..

Obviously played this poorly (I think).

Was first shove correct? May have been too light.

On the second hand
1. Should hero even call the inital raise due to being OOP?
2. After flop, I believe hero should have checked flop, and then raised the continuation bet, and reevaluated based on villians action. Or is hero, committed in any event, save a bet by BB and a raise by Villian?

Preflop, probably just shove again. Don't know raise size.

Good flop, but are beaten by a lot of hands raiser would have. Why do you donk overbet shove multiway? Obviously, c/c or c/r.

Know that donk bet shove is wrong, but what do I do after cr, and villian reraise? fold ?

I can't get a feel for that donk shove without knowing average chip/stack size and how many people remain.

As I write this near midnight, wsop Event 33: $1,000 No-Limit Hold'em, it's down to the final 2 people.
Blinds are 50,000 and 100,000
The leader (Mr. A) has 47BB and the other player (Mr. B) 37BB.

When the day started with 14 players, those two players had virtually the same number of BB, with blinds at 8-16,000.
Mr. A had 52BB and Mr. B had 38BB.
So, the number of big blinds doesn't illustrate much..
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Also, how big is the pay jump? I admit I'm in it for the money and yeah.. it might make a difference to how I play AJo out of the SB. But usually the jumps are insignificant before the FT, so I'm mostly just curious.

Being moved to a new table of strangers is a distinct disadvantage. They know it and I know it. They just ate the guy who was in my seat, and I'm fresh meat.
Folding and watching how people play for a few rounds would be nice. I'm thinking "Please don't deal me anything I am forced to play." I might steal a blind or two, and maybe a small pot, but generally prefer to lay low for a while..

So if my 10BB immediately gets a double-up, I'm perfectly happy. And when the villain who I just doubled through raises my blind, I sure am not anxious to mix it up with him again.. maybe I'll avoid him all night long just on principle.. I got lucky catching that flush. I got practically the same hand now. Can I do it again? Am I good enough to fold AJo here? I can fold QQ here if I had a big breakfast..

Go ahead and call me superstitious or whatever. I've been knocked out of tournaments in the first orbit, sometimes very first hand, at a new table so many times, nothing anyone says will convince me it's wrong to be extremely cautious at new tables.

With 22xBB, shove or 3b/c are probably better than flatting out of SB.

We are too shallow to fold top two. C/r, c/c, or much smaller lead are possible. Shove is horrible. Dangerous board, but results-oriented to think of folding.

are you seriously saying you might fold QQ to a single raise from a 25BB stack? lolllllwat

hand 1: generally fine, esp if villain is in LP, isn't ancient, etc
hand 2: fine pre, don't openshove, don't fold

I'm putting you on ignore because I'm too often tempted to say mean things to you and/or about your posts, and I don't want to do that. Take care.

Why would you flat preflop with 22bb, see a flop that hits you very well, then consider folding? If he reraises it's going to be enough to put you all in and you're going to be getting a price too great to fold.

Jam pre the first time. As played find a way to get the chips in on the flop.

If villain is opening 55 with only 20-30BB pre, it's probably safe to assume hes opening any pocket pair, suited connectors, and/or broadway cards. You are crushing his range. I'm shoving or 3b/c depending on table dynamics.

I think OP played the hand just fine. When all the chips are very likely going to end up in the pot, it doesn't really matter how soon or late they get there. Decisions boil down to either play it or don't play it.
It was just a cooler.

For the record, it's probably been over a year since i've posted on here, but am a regular lurker....

Frankly, I can't but help laugh at this post for infinitely number of reasons...so here goes

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok 2+2ers, carry on.

What was the size of the MP raise? I don't see it up there. In your opinion, what is the biggest MP raise I can call with QQ when I'm not even closing the action?
Must I just move in with it?
What about the BB. Might I end up against 2 players, and might a A or K hit the board?
But lets say I just call with QQ and an A or K flops. Do I push, bet or check? What is the Mp likely to do in response?
Ultimately, what is so sweet about holding QQ in this spot that it can't be mucked?
QQ is a good hand, but my position blows. Under certain circumstances I could fold it. It might earn me a pay hike. The button is mine next hand and I'm sittin pretty on 22xBB. Why be in a hurry.

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And I don't understand why my posts generate so much passion. I musta read a couple thousand posts already in these forums, but haven't come across a single one worth getting the least bit excited about.

It matters a lot and I think people get passionate/angry because this is not a good way to think about it. On this particular hand it may not seem to matter because all the money will go in with you being crushed. But poker is not that kind of game. The way you play hands matters for theoretical situations that often never see fruition. If villain had nothing you played the hand horribly. This is a flop that he should continuation bet because it should hit his range and then you get money from trash hands, something you completely take away by donk-jamming the flop.

I understand your point about theory. I fail to understand why no one takes into account the realities of live tournament play and instead feels obligated to act solely on whichever action provides even the slightest mathematical edge.

Just looking at it.. Do I really want any callers on that board? It's not exactly dry. Two cards to come. The more players who are in it with me, the less likely I'll take it down with top two. There are straight draws and sets possible.
How big can my edge be if I allow 2 or 3 people into this pot?
(purely a rhetorical question unless someone has the numbers right at their fingertips)

Edit.. I want to remove "I understand your point about theory." because I don't think I really do. But I'll leave it the way I wrote it.

What do you even mean by "the realities of live tournament play?" And how do these "realities" free us, as poker players, from trying to make the decision that maximizes our expectation?

Do we make a mistake when we fold 22 to a 4-bet preflop and the board runs out AK822? Or is it the "reality of tournament poker" that sometimes we're going to make quads against AA and KK so we should just get the money in preflop?