Not at all, thanks for the serious reply. I've gotten so many joke replies that its nice to get the discussion back on track.

agreed completely for all the reasons that I've already said. Even if this is a mistake, its a small one at 400 chips.

Wow, I love this point. I don't think we've discussed checking with the intent of check raise bluffing on the flop, but it certainly is an interesting option. Would you still try it if LP bet and one of the other guys flat called? If he bets 1/2 pot, then how much do you raise?

I'd love to hear some others' thoughts here.

agreed. I think pretty much everyone has agreed here too.

You really think he checks the flop with KK?

I just read this for the first time and my first reaction was "ZOMG THIS HAND HAS TAKEN 2 MONTHS!!!" ...then I realized it was started in March of '06.

Yeah, thats correct. So do you care to actually comment on the play of the hand?

i think more people would be interested if there werent 16 pages of commentary spanning over a year.

its kinda your fault; maybe you should post a summary to let us all know where we are in the hand now.

I dunno, just seems like a speculative hand that completely bricked against multiple opponents so you should just be checking and folding every street.

fold

Yeah I really do hate how the conversation has gotten sidetracked so much. I've tried repeatedly to get people to just comment on the hand.

Ok, will post that all in the next post....

It was checked around to me.

Fair point. I guess this hand is a good showcase of when certain people like to bluff, why so, and how comfortable they are doing it? Personally I don't mind throwing out a small bet if nobody else shows strength. In addition to the chance of winning the pot here, it makes you harder to read and more likely to get paid off later on with your big hands.

Pretty clear that you should bet here, probably around $2222ish for the optimal line.

lol r u serious?

Can we lock this thread already?

I've thought of posting a hand in this manner, because that is the way Harrington presents it. Sometimes I am unsure about decisions I have made on multiple streets.

But I think a time period of 2 days would be sufficient to get enough constructive responses. Stretching it out over 2 years only introduces a lot of noise.

I think I might be tempted to bet around 1/2 the pot here on the river. No-one seems to have shown any interest in it and I can't see someone slowplaying all 3 streets. You are getting 2-1 on your bluff and it's not a disaster if you get called.

Regarding the Sklansly comment you linked, I disagree with him. I think you should only be thinking about randomizing your play when you are playing against (or are going to be playing against) the same opponents over a long period of time.

Harrington gave a rule of thumb, something like your stack has to be more than 24 times the cost of entering the pot to play a speculative hand like a small pocket pair to make up for all the times it misses or you have to throw it away to a raise, etc. I don't remember, though, if he was talking about playing it from EP.

Your stack is over 40x the bet (as is the mini-raiser's), so calling is OK for a skilled player, but folding is OK too. I am not that skilled a player, so I would fold.

Flop and turn, I would check for reasons many others have stated, so I won't further comment on that.

Just curious, but why exactly is this in the small stakes forum? If this is small stakes, then whats it take to get in the high stakes forum???

Seriously. Give it up already.

Wow, this thread is awesome! At this point I'd guess it checks around on the river, EP raiser turns up 3-3 while everyone else mucks with Hero kicking himself for never having taken a stab at it.

Just a guess, but maybe the forum split since your original post in March 2006.

Correct.

OP, please stop seeking advice and opinions on this hand. Just say what happened on the river, who showed what, etc., etc. It's really not even that interesting of a hand. Definitely NOT2-years worthy.

So, what were the results of the hand?

bet $1600

OP wins with 5 high?

Assani is a genius. That is all.

did anyone else ever read the waiting for godot post like over a year ago? That's what this reminds me of.

Alright guys, I'm bumping this for more replies. Yes I realize that I haven't been timely with my replies in this thread, and I apologize for that. I am sorry. Now can we please get over that and discuss the actual hand? I've gotten very few replies to this part of the problem and I think it is the most interesting part, and this has greatly frustrated me. If we can get a solid analysis of the play on the river, then I promise to post the full results a day or two after discussion dies down. So what do you do here? Do you bluff? Check and concede the hand? Mix up your play? Please include reasoning and analysis. Thanks.