Game started at: 2016/9/25 19:25:35
Game ID: 736097776 1000/2000 Sunday Special - $115,000 GTD, Table 1 (Hold'em)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Dlanger610 (91856).
Seat 2: MexiCartel (6326).
Seat 3: bigdonk77 (33889).
Seat 5: dumbledoor (88579).
Seat 6: ndp1010 (52875).
Seat 7: Xnbomb (97820).
Seat 8: Hongkongdong (69098).
Seat 9: Be Water (98727).
Player ndp1010 ante (200)
Player XNbomb ante (200)
Player Hongkongdong ante (200)
Player Be Water ante (200)
Player Dlanger610 ante (200)
Player MexiCartel ante (200)
Player bigdonk77 ante (200)
Player dumbledoor ante (200)
Player ndp1010 has small blind (1000)
Player XNbomb has big blind (2000)
Player ndp1010 received a card.
Player ndp1010 received a card.
Player XNbomb received card: [Qd]
Player XNbomb received card: [Qs]
Player Hongkongdong received a card.
Player Hongkongdong received a card.
Player Be Water received a card.
Player Be Water received a card.
Player Dlanger610 received a card.
Player Dlanger610 received a card.
Player MexiCartel received a card.
Player MexiCartel received a card.
Player bigdonk77 received a card.
Player bigdonk77 received a card.
Player dumbledoor received a card.
Player dumbledoor received a card.
Player Hongkongdong folds
Player Be Water folds
Player Dlanger610 raises (4775)
Player MexiCartel folds
Player bigdonk77 folds
Player dumbledoor folds
Player ndp1010 folds
Player XNbomb ??

Hero just moved to table. Villian running like 20/11 over 20ish hands. Pretty sure we 3bet 100% of the time here. Whats everyone's sizing?

Huh?

Flatting is actually fine. 45bbs seem a bit too deep to stack off vs UTG+2. Also by flatting u induce light squeeze shoves and ISO shoves.

If villain high raise first in and high 4b% then obv 13500/5b is fine

+1 to both pkratitsbest posts

Both are fine I would prefer flatting however. I played with Dlanger610 quite a bit back when I played mtts, he is decent aggro and I doubt he will be gii here wide given the stacks and the bubble. However, by flatting we can extract value from a wider range with a super strong well disguised hand.

oh he has qq...yea just 3b/ gii not rly that close imo

I am just relieved to know that everyone received 2 cards. Would love to see some PLO hands using this format.

this looks like acr not ignition

Srsly

Correct, sorry. Also sorry about the formatting, got it from HEM. Didn't realize it'd be this bad .

I never really contemplated flatting. I didn't want to play an awkward flop OOP. I made it 13,000 and he called.

Flop came

3d Ks 2c

Hero?

25% pot

13k seems a little small... Inviting way too many hands at the bottom of his range into the pot... 15.5 to 16k seams more reasonable, Especially oop... 3 bet get it in is a disaster

You're both 45 and 48 bb deep here... Would he really shove 45 bigs with Jacks or worse... Highly doubt it... You're flipping at best and your range in this spot looks super strong.. Much better spots with the stack you built up....

As played on flop probably bet about a third...

Its a good thing when he calls w hands in bottom of his range

out of position I would have to disagree... You're right it's nice to get calls at the bottom of his range.. But by giving him an excellent price where he has to flat the 3 bet in position is a mistake.. 15.5 to 16k I believe is the correct sizing for the 3 bet.. In position the 3 bet is fine but oop the sizing has to be bigger...

But to each is own... Flatting i believe is the worst option

lucky-you post that the 3 bet looks super strong, so shouldn't we be able to do this with non premium hands? Wouldn't that also mean we want our sizing slightly smaller as well?

In this situation... With the villan being a new player... Playing 20 11 for the sample that we do have and in the HiJack... Not really the best spot to be 3 betting light oop...

All player situational imo... That's just me tho... I like to 3 bet a bit bigger oop... If he is calling our 3 bet at the bottom of his range in position... We should be making him pay more too see the flop.. Not giving him an amazing price...

Hands like 87s 98s kjos q10 etc etc are just fist pumping at ops sizing to see a flop... We obv wanna see flops with those hands but we should be getting value with our 3 bet pre... Not begging them too see the flop with op sizing

I'm talking about post flop dude

k32 flop doesn't hit much of his range ... Third pot accomplishes a lot.. You're not really getting value from anything at this point unless we're beat... Might get a float with a mid pocket pair that's about it..

Third pot here is pretty standard

But I guess you said quarter pot.. Quarter pot.. Third pot.. Same **** .. Probably Just a preference thing... I normally don't make any of my sizings less then a third...Unless it's a river value bet where I'm just crying for a call from a weak hand...

I like a quarter pot as well

Both checking and betting are fine. Slightly prefer betting on exact bubble tho, since I don't want to end up blufcatching on river for tourneylife.

looking back, I think lucky may be right on sizing, I think I made it too big. I went 1/2 pot (14300) and villain calls. I think the sizing needs to either be smaller or big enough to leave a PSB behind.

The turn is the Q of clubs

The pot is 57,200. Villian has 64,340 behind.

Hero?

20k... Checking doesn't make much sense even tho we now have the second nuts.. All the hands he floated the flop light the middle pairs will fold whether you bet now or try and extract value on the river... If he has a k he will continue or possibly shove...

I think around 20k is standard here setting up an easy half pot jam on the river given the villan a great price if he has a k... No point in slow playing in this spot

Bet a third again on turn... Leaving a 90k pot with villan having 40kish left.. Setting up a easy river jam...

If villan has k and river doesn't come an ace you will get it all...

If villan floated with a middling pair you wont get any more value anyways unless you check turn and he hits a miracle...

I like the bet third line on turn to get his whole stack tho

any type of bet here and we basically eliminate the chance of him spewing...we take away almost all hands that he floats. why not float and let him bluff us?

I prefer checking. If you bet, bet very small with this spr. Shove or bet river on the bigger side when it goes check/check. Shove pbb better in theory, but usually 60-70% pot will be called much more often, since mtt players don't react very well to potbets/overbets.

betting again for quarter pot or so is pretty nice ott