I'd 4b/f pre, Todd will hood some stupid hands and won't 5bet light. Postflop seems fine, I'd call river without much thought.

what a nit

What AA hand are people referring to?

A) Todd probably doesn't know me neither recognizes me as a reg. He's quite active and we have played a hand before when he opened KTcc UTG, girl flats on the CO, I squeeze OTB to 3x (bad sizing) and he snap flats, flop T83ss both check, I bet 60% he snap calls, girl shoves for 15bb more, I fold aces and he tank-calls (losing to her 88).

Its in op

Or luckys post

Ah thanks, he sorta buried the lede there.

just 4-bet... with the image you described yourself having and them not knowing your brazilian they're almost never 5balling light here. Against someone like moorman 4b min 6b/call. Vs TFT and rando competent guy when you have a tight image 4b/fold is fine. Also C/C tu and river 100%. If you can fold that river... you're going to be folding a lot of best hands.

Like many have already said: 4b pre and call river. I also don't mind river shove, hard to see him getting away from QJ and lower sets (maybe even trash 2 pairs) when he can level himself into thinking you played KK/AA that way from the PF action

Hahaha, flatting pre, oh wow.

5.8k/f pre. Lead turn. As played river has to be close between calling and jamming

Was on the road, sorry for the delay. He had T9o (I understand the curiosity but I think the discussion on the hand is way more interesting than results

Yeah, the AA hand seems more trivial to me (tight girl calls/calls vs UTG and a tight BT for a significant portion of her stack, and then check/jams with not much FE against a 3-way cbet+call on a T83ss board when I have the As, on the 5th level of a live $10k).

I think it's way too optimistic to believe that she'd have a random T or QJs in her hand, or play something like AQo, 77 or 99 this way. Todd later noted to me that she wasn't that tight on PF calling ranges, but that wasn't info I had at the time.

It really does to me. Sometimes calling is way stronger than raising. It all depends on what level villain puts you in.

Btw, I think most of this hand discussion is based on how villain perceives my range to be. Most people says my range it's underrep'd, and that really warrants a call. If you agreed my range is not that underrep'd, folding would start to seem more reasonable.

I also agree with this and this is something I tend to do: overvalue opponents (though I think it wasn't the case with Todd).

4b/c just seems ******ed to me
thats all i have to add

todd given u think his range is pretty much exactly JJ (and sometimes QQ+) do u expect him to fold to a jam? given his perceived range wouldnt a jam be better since u are pretty much always called by JJ/QQ, op is never expected to bluff etc

Todd probably figures hero will call 12K 100%(or very close) of the time with JJ but may find a fold to an all-in. He may also be leaving some room for the JJ read to be wrong in case hero has something like TT or AQs and may call with that but will almost surely fold those to the all in.

This is something I often wonder about in tournaments. Let's say we think our EV is higher going all in(opponent has JJ and let's say he finds a fold 20% of the time). Is giving up the extra 4K in equity worth the trade-off for a guaranteed 100% call? The disadvantage is obvious but the advantages of having more chips 100% of the time, being able to bully/imply more threats do create more profitable spots.

prefer a 4bet pre; playing a hand when your range is face-up is really tough especially vs someone good like todd. obviously you have to fold to a 5bet but i don't think hes going to 5bet you light that much, if ever.

as played though, shrug and call.

Given that a huge part of his preflop range was QQ-JJ (I really doubt he ever plays KK+ like this), with discounted TT and AK (AK doesn't ever play the turn like that, TT if it calls the turn is never calling the river), I thought going all in on the river with a Q and J on the board would look insanely strong. Betting at all looks strong, but I thought I increased the chance of getting a hero fold from a set considerably if I put in all my chips. I thought the chance of getting called by anything other than a set was negligible.

Ahahaha, LEVELS UPON LEVELS.

this

OK, so you think that betting about 60% of your remaining stack looks weaker than piling the lot ? Quite the oppsite IMO.

Can you provide some examples of pot sized river bluff shoves in $10Ks where sets made up a significant % of the opponent's range?

Those advocating 4betting, what do we do if opponent flats and the flop comes axx or kxx? Aren't we turning our hand into a bluff if we 4bet/fold?

Yes. This is the reason a few people are reasonably advocating folding.

We can make a lot better decisions later in the hand with a 4-bet than a cold flat.

No.

well against his exact hand we are ;-) against the others we're not so NSB is actually correct