This spot isn't even remotely close to a fold. Way too much love for TFT in this forum and I'm hella oi, it makes me sick.

lead turn call river zzzzzzzz

even tho theres not many combos cant he have QJ here also? I think folding is a tad too results oriented IMO

pre is w/e u can call and 4b too doubt there is a big difference. just pls dont even think that folding is an option. someone must really suck at poker for folding pre being the best option and its obv u dont.

flop std turn is meh i think Todd either gave up the hand or is pot controlling something and the other guy can have something too but pretty sure hes not gonna bet his mediocre holdings having TT behind so bet/bet seems way better as TT prolly gonna bet/fold some of his value hands to a potential CR. also u have a set on a QJ85 and 2 ppl behind they can have a bunch of pair + gutters so betting seems to be in order.

but srsly once u check/call turn (which i like when u check as u keep in bluffs/vbets) how on earth are u even considering folding? for the love of god Todd can easily have KK or AA for value or even AQ if he decided to check those back on the flop and the turn is biggest brick ever. he can also be bluffin sometimes but u just underreped your hand so much that folding this would be a huge mistake (even is this time he had the T9 who cares). your hands looks like TT 99 maybe AQ AJ depending on how hood u are preflop but brazil can be hood so i expect ur percieived range by Todd to be sumtin like that

Yeah, i agree i'd obv never fold just wanted to troll todd a little bit

pgh - what's your deal doggggggggg... i'm starting to be OI you tho tbqh. TT is a legend end of story.

Pre: If the table is super soft just with Terry + 1 good player I really think there are merits into folding pre. Why are you going to play a f** big pot OOP against a good player with your range faced up? You can win a lot of small pots , get the money from the fishs. Flatting or 4betting may be +ev but (won´t be much) the variance of this spot isn´t worth in a soft table.

In a multway in this board betting should be better than checking. There are a lot of draws that UTG may call (even if your hand be faced up to todd , he already showed that will give up the pot or have a middle showdown value) there is a high chance to both players check behind , and the utg range will definitely call one. He can have now middle suited connectors that is a pair + gutter who won´t fold for the first bet , even top pair.
If was a HU pot I would agree that checking better.

River sizing is sick , 9k to 11k was a snap call , 12k may be a theory fold , but I doubt anyone can fold this in practise.

i must be a huge dolt but i just dont get what is so absurd/sick/omg about a 2/3 pot river bet. especially that our hand doesnt look like a set at all. also ppl seem to forget that TT just might have made a bad play here by making a bad vbet or a spewy bluff so trying to find perfect logic behind his every single move might get us to make a mistake.

This is an interesting hand. Fold AA in that spot, your a beast, guess I need to learn how to do that, lol. Todd is a beast. Can't wait to hear his take on this hand if he remembers it. Mostly he will.

What was the OUTCOME???????????????????????????? Tell us already.

I dont think this hand is remotely interesting enough to warrant a post... just because villain is Todd Terry doesn't change the fact that OP's thought process on almost every street is incorrect.

Also it's hard to tell if some of these replies are levels... but really, OP, when he's TFT and you're Brazilian and you have JJ and OOP, do you really want to have 3 difficult decisions postflop or make the hand much more simple preflop? And folding the river... wtf....

So Todd had QQQ? Whats result?

OP once called me down on the river with 9 hi and we chopped...lol @ not jamming JJJ here for 7k more...also don't like pre here

jamming river would literally be ******ed against todd or most good players

hellzito - i think folding pre would be really bad unless we had some absurd read on 3 bettor, just because we flat pre doesn't mean we're going to play a huge pot... 4 bet/folding is obviously +ev but maybe not ideal. Flatting/ 4 betting are both fine, i prefer flatting tho.

would u like it as a bluff?

I wrote about folding because of my view of live strategy. I´m not folding because of the 3bettor is very tight and i´m afraid of his range. I´m folding because I want avoid to close decisions in a soft table OOP against a good player (in this case, also a better player than me).

In a tougher table I wouldn´t even consider this strategy (online I woulnd´t too). The spot won´t be easy to play , the pot will have like 8k and Todd 22k behind so if he decide to fire 2 bullets we are almost all in. It´s very easy to be in a tough spot.

I know this is a pussy point of view. But I think in live tournaments , we can sometimes use this strategy and still have big chances to win the tournament.

people saying don't jam is the nut straight the only hand we value jam here on the river? cause if it is there s so many interesting implications
just like smok said if u don't like jamming river for value then u could pretty much bluff with atc

I mean i guess im kind of torn here, if someone can convince me that he can call with a worse hand i'd be happy to shove the river. Against a bad/loose or average player shoving is perfect. If he bet less I could dig shoving. I'm trying to get better here too guys, i think i use language that i think is correct when i might not be correct, so teach me something if u can.

smokerock - hmmmm, we might be able to get todd off qqq what do u think? lolz (more todd terry trollin, not serious)

seems like u disagree with me tho, so i'd love to hear your thoughts on a river shove since you're a player i respect a lot.

johnny- pretty much, right? I mean i'd prolly never have qq here, but in theory i'd definitely shove it. I guess jj could be a shove here for value considering how underrepped we are, i just don't see todd ever calling off his last 7k here with like 2 pair or aa or whatever other hand we feel like we're getting value from.

To those saying I'm Brazilian, as I already said, I'm almost sure Todd didn't know that. He probably didn't even know I knew who he was, so I was probably a total random to him.

8 high. Sounds fun when written but was a very easy call (BvB limped pot, paired board, line made 0 sense & you were drunk).


True, I agree with you on this.

So when can we expect the outcome or is it a secret........ lol Please post the date you plan on letting us know the results. lol just busting chops....

I can see folding the AA hand way more than I can the JJJ.

You're so underrepped & TT can put you on a lot of stuff he thinks he's vbetting/bluffing.

re bluffing, yeah it's a pretty big bet but sometimes you just make these plays - dunno if villain here does but why not if that's what he thinks is needed. Guess you ran into QQQ or the T9 but I'm never folding.

so you coldcall pre, check three times, having called once on the turn, and TT's wager is super strong? That doesn't seem right to me at all.

It's the 2nd biggest event of the year. A young guy who hasn't played many hands coldcalls a 3bet of an UTG raise out of the BB for 10% of effective stacks. What do you think his range is?

^ JJ and not much else.

it's like 1010-qq, maybe an occasional AA trap.

He's not that young =) lol jk marcos... and i think that's kinda the point of the whole post, under repped or not his range is pretty damn heavily weighted towards big hands no matter how he plays it post flop.

I play it the same but sigh-call river. Not thrilled with it but going to call. Y'all are crazy for thinking this is a bad line

I feel like by flatting and saying your playing your hand face up, your almost always gonna level yourself post flop, because you believe he knows what you have. So when you hit your set and he's still betting into you, you auto think you must be beat,because who is gonna try to bluff you off the 3rd nuts. Also don't you think if he did think you had jj he would jam river? absurd not to jam river if thats what he thinks. The way you played the hand Im more likely to put you on Aqs or 1010 maybe. Therefore valuing all hands better than AQ. I think 910 is only hand that beats you, as I don't see qq playing this way, even though the odd time it will be.
With all that said, with your image why not 4 bet? It should come off pretty strong. But you then have to fold to a 5 bet shove (with your image) but it will prob end up costing you less in the long run. If your 4 bet gets flatted in 1 spot I almost always see it going check check on this flop and then you can work on getting it in on the turn and river.