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11-16-2015 , 02:18 PM

#26

user12345

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C/jam sooner

11-16-2015 , 11:21 PM

#27

Crazy Joe Davola

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbobwe00

No discussion of a Parx HH is complete without mention of their broken payout structure

Too top heavy?

11-18-2015 , 06:44 AM

#28

discgolfing

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Well, here's the thing...

Spoiler:

11-18-2015 , 05:58 PM

#29

AAismyfriend

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so you open shoved the flop?

11-18-2015 , 08:45 PM

#30

Pokarhontas

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Quote:

Originally Posted by discgolfing

Well, here's the thing...

Spoiler:

11-18-2015 , 10:51 PM

#31

Crazy Joe Davola

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AAismyfriend

so you open shoved the flop?

Flop (800,000): Q98

Hero checks.
Villain bets 475,000
Hero ?

11-18-2015 , 11:24 PM

#32

RalphWaldoEmerson

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idk how that's ownage

he shouldn't be b/f and if he's tempted to he should be checking flop

11-19-2015 , 11:04 AM

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melnor

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Call pre,
call flop
lead turn since it's probably going to get checked through. He could level himself into doing all sorts of things that are only going to benefit you.

11-19-2015 , 12:51 PM

#34

Cardshark23

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He is supposed to call of with pocket kings there because you can easily have ace queen

11-19-2015 , 02:34 PM

#35

mandza17

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Call 3bet pre is the worst of these 3 options,I think we should muck this pre.
fold vs 3bet>4bet-shove>call vs 3bet

11-25-2015 , 11:34 AM

#36

Cardshark23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by melnor

Call pre,
call flop
lead turn since it's probably going to get checked through. He could level himself into doing all sorts of things that are only going to benefit you.

this

11-25-2015 , 08:58 PM

#37

DonkSlayar

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Why does 4 bet have to be a jam?

11-27-2015 , 04:00 PM

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PhatPots

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suggesting folding this preflop is laughable. There is zero chance I would ever fold this preflop in this situation (6 handed). You have the odds to set mine. Even if we say Villain is an uber nit, this is still not a fold IMO.

Yes, he had KK this time, but he can have much worse. I think given the dynamics that OP described it is close between a shove, a call and a mini-raise get it in. I would lean towards a mini-raise if I thought he could have a polarized 3 bet range and might 5 bet spew.

But in this spot, you have a real hand. Its way too weak an exploitable to fold this. If you fold this then you are only continuing with AA/KK if you get 3 bet from an EP?

11-27-2015 , 08:51 PM

#39

discgolfing

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Spoiler:

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhatPots

I think it's questionable to say we have the odds to set mine when we just encountered a situation where we flopped a set and did not get stacks in despite the fact he had an overpair.

I'm saying in this specific scenario w/ these stack sizes and vs. this specific villain, it's worth considering only continuing with AA/KK. Obviously more times than not I'm happy to play QQ in a 3bet pot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by melnor

Call pre,
call flop
lead turn since it's probably going to get checked through. He could level himself into doing all sorts of things that are only going to benefit you.

This looks like the right play in hindsight. The reason why I didn't go for it was because I thought he would have to call a shove w/ KK/AA which I thought was a heavy part of his range, and there are scare cards (J/T/A/Q maybe even diamonds) that could make him slow down.

Fwiw he told me afterwards that one of the reasons why he folded it was because he thought one of the hands I could have was AA. So I'm assuming he calls the shove w/ AA, despite not calling with KK.

11-28-2015 , 12:25 AM

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RalphWaldoEmerson

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call flop and lead turn makes no goddamn sense

i don't think Villain is very good at poker, if he's gonna b/f KK just click the ****ing check button

11-28-2015 , 11:37 AM

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Crazy Joe Davola

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PhatPots

Is that true? Based on OP's description of the guy, it does not seem true.

11-28-2015 , 11:37 AM

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Crazy Joe Davola

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OP, I do not think you understand the point of spoiler tags.

11-28-2015 , 07:58 PM

#43

PhatPots

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Joe Davola

Is that true? Based on OP's description of the guy, it does not seem true.

There is not enough evidence to suggest this guy is a nit. We saw him get it in with QQ vs AK. Loosey goosey. I am sure we can dig some footage from the 2012 WSOP of this guy 3 betting an EP raiser with something other than AA and KK.

Last edited by PhatPots; 11-28-2015 at 08:11 PM.

11-29-2015 , 12:45 AM

#44

Crazy Joe Davola

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PhatPots

I am sure we can dig some footage from the 2012 WSOP of this guy 3 betting an EP raiser with something other than AA and KK.

I am sure it's silly to assume a guy's game has not evolved in three years.

11-29-2015 , 06:33 PM

#45

PhatPots

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Joe Davola

I am sure it's silly to assume a guy's game has not evolved in three years.

If his game has evolved then he is more likely to be 3 betting with a wider range.

11-30-2015 , 02:00 PM

#46

discgolfing

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Ok, let me ask a different question, in a vacuum:

Let's say we're in the exact same scenario I described preflop. Only this time villain is a very face up player on all streets and I have a very strong read that his range is exclusively AA/KK/QQ/AK. What is the play with our QQ?

11-30-2015 , 11:05 PM

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kleath

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call pre def call flop, vs a nit you've got vv strong boardlock going on and by description hes prob not cbetting this board with worse than KK/flush draw, when he never has any bad hands in this situation it looks v strong for you to shove, rightfully so.

11-30-2015 , 11:52 PM

#48

user12345

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kleath

he can`t have any bad hand, but can have a FD!? I guess AKs.

You`re right his cbetting range is strong thus c/jamming put him in a tough spot where he has a decision to make being aware his range is face up and we can have semibluffs which could make him to check back more and what he probably should do on this texture.

12-01-2015 , 11:23 AM

#49

eagles2.0

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad1Lee

shove or fold is the play here because of his stack. Your flatting range there is going to be (or should be) hella strong there. I think we can shove wider than flat here cuz of icm.

lol you can't be serious, so much nonesense right here.

I would flat PF, I would also shove on the flop, I don't expect ppl to be able to fold KK/AA here, so ya I'd go AI OTF because I don't want want a J/T or diamond to roll off, and don't expect him to fold KK, he would've got me, shrug.

Last edited by eagles2.0; 12-01-2015 at 11:29 AM.

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