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Old 02-03-2012, 05:24 AM   #1
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Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

Hand was on bigger 162$

I'm currently with 80k chips, blinds 800/1.6k, i'm chipleader in table

Villain is a little bit above average with 35blinds, he is not too active and although he is not a reg , he seems quite competent

I'm in BB with A4

Villain is UTG+1 and raises to 3.4k
Everyone folds and i call

1st Question: Anyone folds here? I called because i have a 50 bb's stack, i think i'm good enough to don't go crazy if i flop an ace and i'm gonna play for flushes/straight against a Hand i think it's a premium or a good pp many times, as villain is competent, not too active and he is UTG+1 raiser


Flop : 2 3 5 rainbow

Line????? Check call, Check raise small or big to induce? Anyone leads?
If i get called or check call flop, line on a blank turn? Check shove is an option?

I think villain has an over pair a good amount of times, so i just didn't know if it was better to try to make him shove right here ( fairly good flop for TT+) or just try to get a 3-barrel or a shove on the turn.. Also, i don't want to see a 4 on the turn which would kill all the action and a K/A can kill action too if the villain has TT/JJ/QQ

I will post my line after some opinions for further comments
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:15 AM   #2
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

I think preflop is ok, you can call, you can fold, I prefer calling suited and folding weak offsuit Aces

Check/call flop (pot is close to 8,5k i guess - 2x3,4 + 800 + 9x100) - let him make the c-bet (he should do it at this level 99% of the time)
I know that turn may be an action killer, but still you want to give him a chance to hang himself

Turn (pot 16-18k depending on the flop cbet) - no matter what gets there (even 4 which is surely the worst card 4 us) i think you should check-raise here. It's time to build the pot. If he has like 35bb on the start of the hand (57k), he propably still has smth like 30bbs after flop cbet (48-49k) and 24-25bbs left after turn bet (40k behind, 30k pot - i assume he bets smth like 8-9k on the turn), you should make it 19-20 and give him a chance to shove - he might think he will get a fold from you, when he makes it nearly 50k total shove on the turn; I know that a check-raise on the turn looks so strong, but you may scare him off with a jam)

If the flop go check-check, you should lead the turn (what he can read as a steal after he missed a cbet) and see what happens, but you want him to get it in here

so
check-call flop and c/r turn
or if he doesn't cbet
check-check flop and bet/3bet turn or bet turn jam (or barrel river)

It's a fun hand to analyze, as you hit the nuts vs rather tight player - it is a hard way to get value. I am so curious to see how the whole hand played out
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:35 PM   #3
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

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Hand was on bigger 162$

I'm currently with 80k chips, blinds 800/1.6k, i'm chipleader in table

Villain is a little bit above average with 35blinds, he is not too active and although he is not a reg , he seems quite competent

I'm in BB with A4

Villain is UTG+1 and raises to 3.4k
Everyone folds and i call

1st Question: Anyone folds here? I called because i have a 50 bb's stack, i think i'm good enough to don't go crazy if i flop an ace and i'm gonna play for flushes/straight against a Hand i think it's a premium or a good pp many times, as villain is competent, not too active and he is UTG+1 raiser


Flop : 2 3 5 rainbow

Line????? Check call, Check raise small or big to induce? Anyone leads?
If i get called or check call flop, line on a blank turn? Check shove is an option?

I think villain has an over pair a good amount of times, so i just didn't know if it was better to try to make him shove right here ( fairly good flop for TT+) or just try to get a 3-barrel or a shove on the turn.. Also, i don't want to see a 4 on the turn which would kill all the action and a K/A can kill action too if the villain has TT/JJ/QQ

I will post my line after some opinions for further comments
[ ] this be the nuts

w/ no flush draws i'd check call flop.. donk turn.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:12 AM   #4
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

Lead > C/R > C/C
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:49 AM   #5
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

I always fold pre.
That being said-

How has villain reacted to donk leads in the past?
What happens if you bet 2500, 3500, 7500?

If you don't have a donking history then c/c, lead, lead
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:58 AM   #6
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

could make arguments for every line depending on villian but prefer lead or c/r then c/c
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:02 PM   #7
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

calling pre is fine for some players, but after reading your op I think you should just fold pre against someone opening from utg1
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:15 PM   #8
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

I like the preflop call, but folding is fine too.

I would c/r the flop. This is a 3 wheel card flop. He raised in early position, so he usually has a decent ace or a pp. Hard to get him to fold those hands on this flop. So I was c/r and fire the turn and river in order to try to get as much in as possible.

If he has AA or 22-66 (if those are in his opening range), you should get allin. However, hard for him to fold hand like AK or JJ on this board.

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Old 02-07-2012, 10:55 AM   #9
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

[] nuts
i like a lead here
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:59 PM   #10
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

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I like the preflop call, but folding is fine too.

I would c/r the flop. This is a 3 wheel card flop. He raised in early position, so he usually has a decent ace or a pp. Hard to get him to fold those hands on this flop. So I was c/r and fire the turn and river in order to try to get as much in as possible.

If he has AA or 22-66 (if those are in his opening range), you should get allin. However, hard for him to fold hand like AK or JJ on this board.
i agree 100%.
is the villain capable of floating our check raise on flop? if he is capable that would be another argument for c/r flop.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:00 PM   #11
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Re: Nuts on Flop, Line decision!

ofc my wuestion is for manuel
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