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Old 07-12-2012, 05:54 PM   #16
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Re: My most interesting main event hand.

i like flatting a lot more than 4b. if you 4b, what is your plan if he 5bets? what do you think about his 5b frequency in this spot?

i think stacks are too deep to 4b. its not like euro lags are banned from picking up QQ+,AK(AQ?). and i dont think he is 3betting to flat those, plus maybe he could 5b bluff blockers if hes really crazy and not giving you credit because of the beautiful button.

i mean its the main with stacks still being super deep, lots of soft spots, etc blabla why inflate a pot with JJ pre when you are IP? think your analysis is spot on, and imo the pros for flatting outweigh the cons by a pretty big margin.
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:00 PM   #17
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Re: My most interesting main event hand.

I think flatting is better as standard. With further reads (if I thought euro was more likely to ego hood and less likely to ego 5bet, I'd 4bet)

I assume you went to the flop after flatting so just post a flop imo, pf discussion is kinda pointless since it's like whatever can't really go wrong here unless you misclick the fold button
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:35 PM   #18
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Re: My most interesting main event hand.

I made it 2500. I thought I could pick a sizing where he'd be way more inclined to flat than 5-bet and clean up relative position issues, and I thought he'd make a ton of mistakes when I checked back flops (which I was planning on doing a lot).

The predictable happens and I see a flop HU against the Euro with 5300 in the middle.

The flop is 6h7hQc. He leads for 3K.
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:51 PM   #19
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Re: My most interesting main event hand.

What did you have when he spazzed with his 6 high?
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:01 PM   #20
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So he started the hand with 23K and has put 5,500 in after his flop bet..I flat here and see what he does on the turn..if you make it 7,500 and he jams you're priced in to make the call and you must be behind
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Re: My most interesting main event hand.

sick spot.

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Old 07-12-2012, 07:09 PM   #22
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What did you have when he spazzed with his 6 high?
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:42 PM   #23
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I made it 2500. I thought I could pick a sizing where he'd be way more inclined to flat than 5-bet and clean up relative position issues, and I thought he'd make a ton of mistakes when I checked back flops (which I was planning on doing a lot).

The predictable happens and I see a flop HU against the Euro with 5300 in the middle.

The flop is 6h7hQc. He leads for 3K.
Super flop for you. Call.
In the most likely spot that he is std c-betting, you get to pot control and win.
If he does have a Q, then you still have position on a very wet flop. Lot of raising opportunities in later streets when scare cards come, to get him off his 1 pair.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:58 PM   #24
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Super flop for you. Call.
In the most likely spot that he is std c-betting, you get to pot control and win.
If he does have a Q, then you still have position on a very wet flop. Lot of raising opportunities in later streets when scare cards come, to get him off his 1 pair.
he didn't cbet; he donked. also, not sure it is that easy to get him to fold a q if a 3-flush hits.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:37 PM   #25
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So he started the hand with 23K and has put 5,500 in after his flop bet..I flat here and see what he does on the turn..if you make it 7,500 and he jams you're priced in to make the call and you must be behind
Mostly (he can also get it in with an OE+FD or NFD type hand that were ahead of) agree with this. There are a lot of Qx combos in his 3b/c range here that I feel like he will have to slow down with if a draw completes on future streets (all the non TPFD combos) + he has shown some propensity to slow down once called for 2 barrels, so I would call with the intention of calling a 2nd barrel on a dry turn and folding to a 3rd barrel on a dry river, since there is also a good chance that he can c/c w Qx on a dry river + the decreased likelyhood of him 3bar bluffing this early in the ME. Unless you are planning to r/c the flop calling seems like the only real option here.
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:23 PM   #26
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Re: My most interesting main event hand.

call pre, not close

prob folding flop

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Old 07-12-2012, 11:51 PM   #27
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Re: My most interesting main event hand.

Why would this be a spot to care about relative position issues? Seems like the old texan guy will play straightforward postflop so who cares? We want him in the pot...
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:27 AM   #28
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prob folding flop

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Old 07-13-2012, 02:26 AM   #29
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4bet here almost always wtf.

folding flop is hilarious. lol with the 56o history if you don't 4bet pre / consider folding flop you should just quit poker unreg pre
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call pre, not close

prob folding flop

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This..I'm not sure I want to get into a high stakes game of chicken with a maniac
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