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seems like the consensus is to limp pre in hand 1. i'd assume u guys don't want to bloat oop v very strong post flop player but if he's that good wouldn't folding > limping? taking into consideration how often he'll be jacking up your limp lite pre, what's your plan for that?

+1 at least you can fold easily if he 3bets pre and I think the hand is wp and a shove on the river. turn is an overcard, river is an overcard, wtf can you have.

Maybe as an alternative one can check/call all streets postflop =P

results cuz why not

hand 1: i shove river, cassidy goes into the tank for 2 or 3 minutes and folds. darn.

hand 2: i go into the tank for 2 minutes, tell myself I have literally no idea whats correct, so I fold. had i known that singer gets a little crazy with weird lines I think I'd have fistpump jammed, but with limited knowledge plus he just showed down a bluff 5 minutes earlier, I folded. I still think after the fact he had very little air in his range contrary to what most people are suggesting. I think he folds to my turnshove rarely and usually has something like KQ with the Kc or something like AcTx.

one thing i got out of this thread is how everyone is big on limping v Cassidy, and I disagree. i'm huge on limping against people who dont iso enough since the antes are large but i thought the playability of JT merited a raise. limping brings limpfolding versus limpcalling into consideration, and JT doesnt play stupendous in a single raised pot oop bvb against a world class player. If we're limping JT then we should be limping a large part of our range, and with the antes being big I just dont really see it.

not really interested in rehashing things that have already been said, just want to say thanks to clayton for a sweet thread. i do hate pre vs cassidy tho.

I don't exactly love it either, but what would you say is best, limp/fold?

Idk about Cassidy specifically, but most live pros don't raise nearly as wide as online kids when people limp their BBs, they check back so they can outplay you postflop.

shove hand 1

hand 2 call call

My best David Singer story (have one other pretty good one) since this thread is now dying and I am a little bored...

Back when I used to win sometimes in live poker, I made the 3kNL FT at WSOP - 2008 this was. Table was pretty stacked, including our villain in hand #2 - Singer.

6-handed, Johnny Neckar (Schwah) opens the CO and Singer flats the BB. Flop is like 822r (could have been 933r - but you get the point). Singer checks, Schwah bets, and Singer check raises over 70% of his stack. Schwah tank shoves and Singer mucks. Schwah shows A4off to the rail and Singer says that A4 was obviously good or he would have called.

Regardless of results, check raising 70% of your stack on 822r and then folding to a tank shove (there would not seem to be any reason to Hollywood a big hand if you were Schwah) is certainly far from standard, but I saw it happen in real life at a WSOP FT with this gentleman.

So no, I am not folding in Hand #2.