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Old 06-17-2012, 12:09 PM   #31
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I have a hard time seeing how a straightforward villain flops top set on a somewhat wet board and doesn't show any time of strength until the river (and this is getting past him not raising preflop). I also have a hard time seeing a straightforward villain get to the turn with 33 on that board. And if he somehow does, it's hard to see him not raising the turn. I'm shoving happily and expecting like Ah3h or something like that.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:32 PM   #32
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Re: Monsters under the bed WSOP 1k

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Old 06-17-2012, 11:28 PM   #33
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Re: Monsters under the bed WSOP 1k

Must have been KK, which lead to OP either killing himself or going on a week long bender, hence no update.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:30 PM   #34
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Re: Monsters under the bed WSOP 1k

or he just called and was shown A3
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:38 PM   #35
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or he just called and was shown A3
Well done, Watson!
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:15 AM   #36
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Re: Monsters under the bed WSOP 1k

Wager all ur betting discs and not very close imo
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:24 AM   #37
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ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN ALL IN
You mean shove?
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:48 PM   #38
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Re: Monsters under the bed WSOP 1k

K3 - A3 - 34 - 22 - KK - 33

In that order for me, I would ship all day long, but im an aggrotard
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:12 PM   #39
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K3 - A3 - 34 - 22 - KK - 33

In that order for me, I would ship all day long, but im an aggrotard
What about the 45 for the straight flush draw?
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:25 PM   #40
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Re: Monsters under the bed WSOP 1k

For some reason I edited out that hand when I wrote my post, but yeah, absolutely a hand that makes sense.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:34 PM   #41
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For some reason I edited out that hand when I wrote my post, but yeah, absolutely a hand that makes sense.
Very deceptive board for some reason.. I wouldn't have had time to find it in a live game.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:26 AM   #42
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Re: Monsters under the bed WSOP 1k

shove and shove fast. zeebo theorem. dont give him time to rationally think about his decision.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:29 AM   #43
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Re: Monsters under the bed WSOP 1k

I think its actually just a call because of the preflop positions. If he was further to your left it would be what everyone else says. It matters a bit whether you are exactly UTG or not.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:32 AM   #44
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I think its actually just a call because of the preflop positions. If he was further to your left it would be what everyone else says. It matters a bit whether you are exactly UTG or not.
fish in 1ks do not have rational preflop ranges. they might look down at K3 and think "oh my god its my favorite hand, the hand that I won my local $50 bar tournament championship with!"

you see a middle aged guy fold for 45 minutes and reraise a couple times and show QQ+/AK, that doesn't mean he's a tagBOT 12/9 player. he could just be a 40/5 player who is running situationally bad 10handed at finding proper spots to get into some fun pots with lucky hands.

therefore without history there's gonna be the K3/63/3x combos that you wouldn't otherwise assume are there, will definitely be there often enough for middle aged randos in 1ks
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:22 PM   #45
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fish in 1ks do not have rational preflop ranges. they might look down at K3 and think "oh my god its my favorite hand, the hand that I won my local $50 bar tournament championship with!"

you see a middle aged guy fold for 45 minutes and reraise a couple times and show QQ+/AK, that doesn't mean he's a tagBOT 12/9 player. he could just be a 40/5 player who is running situationally bad 10handed at finding proper spots to get into some fun pots with lucky hands.

therefore without history there's gonna be the K3/63/3x combos that you wouldn't otherwise assume are there, will definitely be there often enough for middle aged randos in 1ks
while I agree with some of this, a 40/5 player doesn't know dick about situation. the only thing he's taking into account is "how many chips is it for me to call", not "I'm cold calling an utg raiser and utg+1 3-better" or "i'm cold calling with **** in a 3-bet pot out of the blinds".
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