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Old 06-30-2017, 11:03 PM   #1
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Monster Stack - AA on the button

Cash game player who will play a few tournaments a year for fun.

Day 1B of Monster Stack - Level 9 - 400/800 with a 100 ante.(this is fairly soon after the dinner break and we play 10 levels and are done for the day)

My chip stack is at $24,000 and I have a fairly tight image.

Villain 1 was splashy and had approx $12,000.

Villain 2 was approx 60 years old and seemed like a total fish based on limp calling a lot of pots. Never remember him betting prior to this hand. He had approx same amount of chips as me. ($25,000).

Villain 1 makes it $1600 UTG +2, villain 2 calls 2 off the button with a $5,000 chip. I'm on the button and look down at AA. I reraise to $3,800 (should I have made it bigger?).

Villain 1 thinks for a bit, shakes his head and calls and then Villain 2 calls without much thought.

Flop is Q94

Villain 1 checks and Villain 2 immediately goes all in.

My thought is he had to have a draw over betting the pot so much. I was 99% sure he had 10J, a flush draw or combination straight/flush draw. Didn't think he would go all in with 2 pair or a set.

What do you do? Fold and wait for better spot or call?
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:27 PM   #2
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

brutally bad sizing pre flop, especially on button after old fogie flats, this is the TEXTBOOK squeeze situation so everyone is going to think you are FOS so great opportunity to size up. As played you gave them great odds to call you--worse yet, you gave them great odds to call while also narrowing your range. I mean when it gets to V2 he has over 6:1 to call--which means even if you turned over your two Aces preflop, he'd be right to call you with JThh or 44 or even Q9s

Here's the thing, everyone in this thread is going to tell you to call (yes i know you only have 25bbs behind and there are million draws), but I actually think, in this specific spot, it's a fold. I've seen old guys spazz like this with sets and 2pairs all the time...he just is never doing this with AQ (which you block anyway)..your best case scenario is like JThh, and even then he's like 56/44 favorite. A million draws out there, and while against a millenial I prolly call just cuz he's more weighted to draws, but 60 year old limp happy fish literally nut in their pants when they hit sets and can't contain themselves. I'd expect to see a lot of 44 here, maybe Q9-- you don't even have the Ace of hearts and in this weak field, risk of to going 0 for the reward of going to 54k day 1, aint worth it in this spot.

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Old 07-01-2017, 12:42 AM   #3
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

More pre ldo and yup calling.
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Old 07-01-2017, 01:13 AM   #4
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

wut is this
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Old 07-01-2017, 01:20 AM   #5
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

3bet more pre. I think you can make it like 5.5K and get it heads up.

I call old man's ship. He can go nuts with AQ, KQ. AKhh, JThh, KK, JJ.

I am discounting nut type hands because at the very least he'd check raise rather then blow you off.

I think JJ trying to protect against draws and AKhh makes a lot of sense - more sense then a JThh imo.
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Old 07-01-2017, 10:57 AM   #6
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

More pre, if he has better postflop then good for him, the money was going in regardless.
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Old 07-01-2017, 01:15 PM   #7
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

Yeah I screwed up preflop letting him in (being results oriented). Called and read was correct. He had 78. Flush draw with no pair or straight draw even.

Turn 7river 3 and I was out.
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Old 07-03-2017, 05:31 AM   #8
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

As played you have to call. I may have jammed pre or called if I think a squeeze happens enough.
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:20 PM   #9
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

I would have sized more pre. Something to really pressure the geezer into a shove-or-nothing situation, something like 7k-8k-9k-ish.

As for how it played out, and from your read of the geezer, his range (based on that exact situation) is 99, 44, AQ, KQ, and approximately 12 combos of suited hearts. So of the 16 holdings he could have, you are beating 2, losing to 2, and flipping with 12 with no blockers to show for. With the blocker, I think it's a much easier call (although still not a guaranteed call). However, without the Ace heart blocker, then you're still a favorite to most of the hands (except the geezer's tricky double draws Like JhTh, KhTh, etc.). Generally speaking, I think it's a call and hope for the best.
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Old 07-16-2017, 01:26 AM   #10
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

first u have to 3 bet more because u give them good odds to call u...som.like 5200-5800...and what about the all in...i see that in vegas on cash games...it was usually two piars...i wil be fold in this spot beacuse u dont know how good is your hand...wait for better spot
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:08 PM   #11
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

Had a similar hand play out last week so posting on this thread.

Playing in the WSOP $1100 Little One Drop. This hand happened on the last hand of level 4. Blinds 100-200-25. Background this was an unlimited rebuy tournament and resulted in a ton of loose play in the early stages. A lot of the players had just busted out of the ME. I recently switched tables and as a result, had no history of any of the players and they had none on me.

I have about $14K in chips and am in the small blind. 4 ppl limp in for $200 and I look down at 2 red aces. I raise to $1.2K. BB calls and everyone else folds. Flop 7 9 10, 2 spades. I open to $2400, BB waits for a minute then makes it $5600. What should I do in this spot? Thanks in advance and I will post the rest of the hand after some responses. Edit to add: villian had about $30K in chips before the hand started.

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Old 07-17-2017, 01:10 PM   #12
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Re: Monster Stack - AA on the button

OP - not super opposed to shoving pre here, could make it about $7.5K pre with the intent of calling off if we get jammed. As played almost certainly have to call off with overpairs based on SPR.

bourrc9 - I'd suggest making a separate thread about this hand in the future. But your spot is a little different because you're 70BB effective as opposed to 30BB and the SPR is larger. In this spot I don't mind just calling the raise to keep our opponents' bluffs in, plus overpairs that we dominate, with the idea we check-call off any brick turn. Not sure jamming makes much sense unless we think villain will pile stacks in with all of their flush draws and overpairs.
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