I'll spare the details. The guy to my left is a big stack shark and knows what he's doing. Tight player with bluffs mixed in.

Anyways, my M is down to 4 or something. I mid-position shove twice, once with pocket 4's, the shark tank-folds and the BB shows an ace and folds. The shark claimed to have AJs. (lol?).

A round later, blinds go up and my M is down to 4.5 or something and it is BVB. I have AJdd. Blinds are 1.5K/3K, 300 antes. I make it 6.5K to induce but of course he flats. Flop comes all clubs and I have to c/f to his 4K bet. He shows Ac6. Shoud've just shoved per

Pot calling the kettle black.

Lol.

Hand #1: AJs is a call, but its not that terrible. M~4 = 10BB. He still has to worry about the players behind him. Also you mention BB. If he has a terrible kicker, it's obviously an easy fold to a MP shove. Probably needs at least A8+.

Hand #2: Lol. No point in inducing since if he has any decent hand he'll probably go with it anyway to a shove since you have ~11BB. Also lol at raise size, barely more than a min raise. He's getting 4-1 to defend, and he's only 2-1 against to make a pair. Basically he can raise you all in if he makes a pair, or fold otherwise. If u're going to try to not shove, at least make 2.5x or 3x. Min raising bvb is one of the worst plays against any component opponent, since they can defend with pretty much their whole range getting amazing odds in position. U're just bloating the pot. Especially in this case since u're so short with very little reverse implied odds.

Imagine he has a hand like 76s. If you shove, he folds. Now, he can just call, and see if he hits flop.

SSMTT is 2 doors down.

Pot Saucepan Black

Pretty bad to 2.2xBB with AJ with like 12xBB. You should know live players will flat call, and it really isn't bad for him to flat call wide getting about 4.5-1 in position. Would online players just push fold against a minraise from a SB with 12xBB? If so it is a leak of online players.

Not sure about the flop c/f either. This is about the worst hand to raise rather than shove with. Raise might be OK with certain hands, but it gives you a tricky stack to pot ratio OOP if called.

wut is m

Live Players are so bad Part II:

160+ people tourney and I absolutely crush it. Barely any moves, just getting paid on nut hands.

It's the final table and the average M goes below 6. Everyone wants to make a deal 9-way. Everyone is okay with it except me because it was a chip-chop, which gives the chip leader almost as much as a win. I was okay with an ICM chop (they can calculate it) but the chip leader wasn't.

So now the old dudes are all of a sudden colluding against me, because I am also a loud mouth, telling people how bad the math is.

One hand it is BVB. The BB has like 5 BB's left and has his stack in his hand ready to shove. The SB min raises and folds to the BB's shove (wat?).

We see maybe 3 all in's where the shorter stack kept on double up over and over and over.

We are 8. I have an M of 3, UTG (the blinds are about to hit me), I see KQo and it's a mandatory shove. Don't want to get blinded out but I guess I shoud've folded and let myself get blinded down to 2 M and position shoved anything playable. They are so bad they will fold rags even if it's an extreme short stack that's shoving. I'm just betting that no one wakes up with AQ/AK/QQ+. Everything else is fine. UTG+1 snap calls. Not even a reshove. Snap call. Pocket 6s. I'm out in a heartbeat. The table insta agrees to chip-chop 7-way, giving the chip-leader almost the entire 1st place prize money.

It sucks because it was the chip leader that refused the ICM chop but no one had to balls to stand up to him.

Lessons of live Poker FT:

-Never be the one whiling to make a deal.
-Below average, always attempt ICM-chop, above average, always chip chop.
-Either accept the deal or keep your mouth shut and be whiling to gambool it. The LAGer you play, the lesser they will want to confront with you because "you could have anything".

The buy in was $90 + $25 bounty. I had 5 KO's. 8th place paid $440. 1st was $3300. Even chop was around $1500 and the ICM chop when we were 9way was $1035 for me (5th place prize). ICM-chop was pretty sweet for me. Many of the final-table'ist were good players.

All in all, I am probably amongst the top 1% that beat those live tourney on a regular basis. They often accept chip chops when I have the lead, and often accept ICM-chops when I'm the shorty. They cannot do math, they'll usually accept anything more than the min, unless someone has an overwhelming chip lead. The bad side is that whenever you refuse a deal, there WILL be collusion. One guy even said "let's kick him out and make a deal". There was a spot where I had J5o with an M of around 2.5 BVB. I open folded. I knew the guy in the BB was going to spite-call me light.

Agreed. I'm thinking I could raise 2.2-2.5x with JJ+. Even AK I need to shove there.

Well on Stars $100+ buy in is considered HSMTT

And yes I realize those live $100 buy-ins are actually borderline Downs Syndrome tourneys.

I know the feel brah.

The minimum stated at the top for this forum is $500 for live tournaments. Live is slower and you are single tabling, so very few regs in $100 live tournaments.

You aren't inducing against this kind of player. A6o probably calls a push. You get allin less often by raising than by pushing.

You should be pushing light, as your opponent isn't likely to be adjusting for stack size and position enough, and you aren't getting called often. Possible to raise JJ+ as you mention. Can also r/f or l/f some weak hands.

Even online, r/c here with AJo is probably bad. You get enough by stealing compared to what you get on average when you induce. Plus you probably get flat called fairly often, which is kind of a disaster.

betgo: Agreed.

Do you think my open-fold at the final table BVB with J5o was bad? I had an M of 1.4 and didn't think he'd fold anything that beat me there.

I post here because there has been some very useful advice on here.

Also at the final table, BB I have pocket 4's, two shoves in front of me, including a shorter slightly shorter stack. Do I call or fold? M of about 3.

These problems are pretty easy to solve online but with live dynamics it's a bit different. I mean people have been paying me off with sub-standard hands (preflop and post flop) for 5 hours, and now I'm gonna push with J5o or call with 44 into two?

You will get better advice on this kind of tournament in MSMTT.