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02-01-2017 , 07:08 AM
How would you play this hand preflop.
Live event €550 buyin.
Just been moved table and we are still in Day 1.
Blinds 500/1000 100ante. folded to Lojack who has 21k and raises to 2100
Hijack flats playing 50k we are in the cutoff playing 31k and look down at 1010.........(stacks behind are all over 30bbs) how do we proceed?

Since I've only been moved table I have no reads only original raiser is a young kid and the flatter is an older guy.
I am young ish with beats and glasses on so I either look like a dooch or an internet guy

Last edited by isaacaroo; 02-01-2017 at 07:15 AM.
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02-01-2017 , 09:12 AM
7k/call anyone before you, maybe make an exploitable fold vs blinds if they shove especially in these live events where its likely to be nutted to AK+/JJ+
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02-01-2017 , 12:25 PM
I think both flat and 3 bet have some merit. The issue with 3 betting here is that we have to fold to a 4 bet/jam and I'm not crazy about that. Also with 3 betting in live events we are going to get called a lot and probably play the hand multi way with 1010 which isn't great either. So I think I like flatting more.
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02-01-2017 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
I think both flat and 3 bet have some merit. The issue with 3 betting here is that we have to fold to a 4 bet/jam and I'm not crazy about that. Also with 3 betting in live events we are going to get called a lot and probably play the hand multi way with 1010 which isn't great either. So I think I like flatting more.
we aren't going to get flatted a bunch if we size correctly. I would only fold vs the blinds if they decide to 4bet as its always nutted. Flatting you would be most likely playing 4 ways to the flop given the insane odds the BB will priced in.

IMO its either 3b/f(vs blinds and 3b/c vs all others) or just rip it in.
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02-01-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
we aren't going to get flatted a bunch if we size correctly. I would only fold vs the blinds if they decide to 4bet as its always nutted. Flatting you would be most likely playing 4 ways to the flop given the insane odds the BB will priced in.

IMO its either 3b/f(vs blinds and 3b/c vs all others) or just rip it in.
I wouldn't be too happy about calling if LJ decided to rip it in pre
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02-01-2017 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
I wouldn't be too happy about calling if LJ decided to rip it in pre
He has 21k to start the hand.....
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02-01-2017 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
He has 21k to start the hand.....
Yes I know. I think we're flipping at best and we're still in good position if we fold. I know we need to win flips to win tournaments, just not sure if this is one I want to GII with at this point.
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02-02-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
Yes I know. I think we're flipping at best and we're still in good position if we fold. I know we need to win flips to win tournaments, just not sure if this is one I want to GII with at this point.
Well, we also pick up ~6.5bb when both fold, which happens a decent amount of the time, so it's not like we are always GII.

I like 7-8k/call versus original opener, especially with our image.
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02-02-2017 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
Yes I know. I think we're flipping at best and we're still in good position if we fold. I know we need to win flips to win tournaments, just not sure if this is one I want to GII with at this point.
If we make it 7k and LJ rips and all others fold, we have to call 14k to win 32.5, don't see any way we are folding TT there to a 'young kid.'
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02-02-2017 , 02:38 PM
as standard of a shove as it gets
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02-04-2017 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by isaacaroo
How would you play this hand preflop.
Live event €550 buyin.
Just been moved table and we are still in Day 1.
Blinds 500/1000 100ante. folded to Lojack who has 21k and raises to 2100
Hijack flats playing 50k we are in the cutoff playing 31k and look down at 1010.........(stacks behind are all over 30bbs) how do we proceed?

Since I've only been moved table I have no reads only original raiser is a young kid and the flatter is an older guy.
I am young ish with beats and glasses on so I either look like a dooch or an internet guy
Pot is 6700 when it gets to you. Why not just shove? 3bet/ folding is def not an option because if someone shoves 88-99 or AQ-AK you lose a lot of equity with the pot being 40k and you having to call 22k or so.
Also if 21k stack shoves, you're definitely not folding after a 3bet I hope.
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02-04-2017 , 07:49 PM
I RIP there, but I'm an online WIZZZZ....
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02-04-2017 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by boxcheck
Pot is 6700 when it gets to you. Why not just shove? 3bet/ folding is def not an option because if someone shoves 88-99 or AQ-AK you lose a lot of equity with the pot being 40k and you having to call 22k or so.
Also if 21k stack shoves, you're definitely not folding after a 3bet I hope.

This is what I was thinking too, but I was gun shy because I tend to play super aggressive on 15-30 BB shoves. I think shoving and 3b/calling are definitely the 2 best options.
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02-04-2017 , 11:49 PM
This seems like a pretty easy shove spot with 20 bb ...
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02-05-2017 , 11:57 AM
Imo there is no clear answer here - but I definitely never 3bet small... you're just asking for disaster trying to play this hand in a bloated pot post flop. It's either shove or call. You have 12 orbits left with your stack at the current level, you'd be risking 31k (but really 21k is the biggest threat to call) to get up to 37k-38k if everyone folds, and we're more often than not flipping at best if called, in general only 99/88 are worse hands that will call.

So it's right on the line but my gut is leaning towards call. I don't think we're quite at the stage of the tournament yet where we have to risk an all-in w/ TT. However if we call, someone squeezes behind us, and it folds to us, I would stack off as their range could be very wide.
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02-07-2017 , 01:25 AM
Why is playing qq in a 3b pot oop w like 10bb left a disaster?
It's not
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02-07-2017 , 08:13 AM
Thanks for the input. All of these options went through my head before and after the hand.
After I played the hand I felt I had played it so wrong that I needed to post here and ask alot of good players about it.
I considered all options when I looked down at 1010 but I decided that this would look like a perfect squeeze opportunity to my opponents so original raiser might just spaz it in or limper might just jam 66-99 over the top of me so I decided to 3bet with intention of calling the 2 in front of me for sure.
I make my 3bet far too small now IMO I 3bet to 6750.
It folded back to original raiser who jammed and it felt so bad calling it off but I snap got it in.
I asked some winning online players about this and everyone had mixed opinions.
I asked an online beast friend of mine who's crushing at the minute up millions and he was originally unsure about it but after running it through a solver he uses, he came to the conclusion that shoving is by far the best option here, followed by 3betting and calling was plus ev but the worst option. He also mentioned that the hand was too weak to induce and with live tournaments players call far too wide preflop that shoving is better.
I found this hand very interesting and wish I shoved pre although I think the original raiser gets it in regardless with AQs. Flop came AAQ. I know these things are irrelevant but it just felt so wrong inducing with 1010 that I felt it must be slightly wrong here
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02-08-2017 , 09:59 AM
I'm not convinced that this solver is accurate for live poker. I don't understand how it can figure out how well you and your opponents are going to play their hand post flop if you call. It just can't. In live tournaments, players generally play poorly post flop, sometimes they can make some really lol terribad decisions. Accounting for this, I think it makes calling and shoving really close.
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