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Line check: Is it just standard to get it in here pre or can I do something else? Line check: Is it just standard to get it in here pre or can I do something else?

03-13-2017 , 06:17 PM
$1600 Live MTT, 63 players pay and there are about 80-85 left. Average is around 285K and we have around 340K. Blinds 1/5/10K. Villain is UTG+1 9 handed raises to 25K off of around a 600K stack just got moved to the table for like 2 hands, probably around 40 year old male. Hero is early-mid 20s, and obviously neither one of us has any other reads. We pick up QQ in the Cutoff. I made it 70K with the intention obviously of calling off to a shove. Is there anything else we can do here with QQ besides gii? I feel like we could just flat JJ but QQ here is just too good not to 3 bet/c? Or is flatting ok? Online I would snap 3b/c but it seems live everyone's 4 bet gii range is so much tighter...
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03-13-2017 , 07:38 PM
if any reshove stacks behind there is a good merit to flatting to induce. Default is to 3b/c though
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03-14-2017 , 01:40 AM
Just flatting
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03-14-2017 , 09:22 AM
With 28bb's I like the 3bet/GII line.
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03-14-2017 , 01:51 PM
34bb tho
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03-14-2017 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
34bb tho
reading owns me today
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03-14-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Just flatting


Why?


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03-14-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellomafriend
Why?


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Yeah?
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03-14-2017 , 06:59 PM
anything besides 3b/gii is just ridic
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03-15-2017 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
anything besides 3b/gii is just ridic
have you played live before?
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03-15-2017 , 02:14 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys. Villain did shove with AK and we lost a flip, not too worried about that although it would have been really nice to have a 2.5x average stack to abuse the bubble. Just got me to thinking about this spot specifically for live mtt, obviously online I'm fistpumping 3b/c but live almost no one except the most aggro are 4 bet bluff shoving like online so it sucks when we have to call it off against pretty much JJ+,AK and maybe not even JJ against a lot of villains. Obviously even against QQ+,AK we still have the right price to call off, but getting in a huge flip when we have a substantial edge on the field especially near the bubble kinda sucks. But I feel like we also lose a bunch of EV by just flatting since his range includes weaker hands also and we also let people behind us flat. On the exact bubble or maybe 5 from bubble I might flat but I felt like we were still far enough away that 3b/c was best, but I'm still not sure
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03-15-2017 , 03:42 PM
If they are mostly flat calling 3-bets, you want to build the pot with QQ and play the hand HU. You are probably going to gii or play a big pot postflop against AA/KK anyway. You have to call a shove due to pot odds once you 3-bet. Even if the allin call is marginal, it may be better to 3-bet unless there is a good chance of a 3-bet or 3-bet shove from the 3 players left to act.
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03-15-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by charder30
have you played live before?
yes
what other lines do you suggest?
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