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Old 02-09-2012, 12:52 AM   #1
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line check...109 bubble play

did not have pokertracker working for this tournament but we are 2 spots away from the money in Turbo 109...

villian has been abusing the bubble as he should be with his stack size, it wasnt every hand he was playing but 1/3 of his hands were opened for min raises from any random position...

Our image is much tighter and we always showed up with the goods on this table, but even still doesnt he call us with his entire range

I know we are massively ahead of his range but doesnt ICM tell us to snap fold this like all day? need your help here pros.

my friend who was sweating me thought I was insane for tank folding and securing a cash.


    Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11823882

    BB: 9,463 (11.8 bb)
    MP1: 29,499 (36.9 bb)
    MP2: 6,344 (7.9 bb)
    MP3: 8,780 (11 bb)
    CO: 14,298 (17.9 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 8,082 (10.1 bb)
    SB: 11,813 (14.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T
    MP1 raises to 1,600, 3 folds

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    again is this an easy ship? or am I just too nitty?


      Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11823892

      MP2: 7,813 (7.8 bb)
      MP3: 31,549 (31.5 bb)
      CO: 44,764 (44.8 bb)
      BTN: 6,894 (6.9 bb)
      SB: 7,330 (7.3 bb)
      BB: 13,848 (13.8 bb)
      UTG+1: 12,069 (12.1 bb)
      Hero (UTG+2): 7,632 (7.6 bb)
      MP1: 13,338 (13.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 6 A
      2 folds, MP1 raises to 13,213 and is all-in, MP2 calls 7,688 and is all-in, 5 folds

      Flop: (18,001) 7 9 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: (18,001) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: (18,001) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

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      5 spots from the money late in the 109 turbo... am I being a spewtard or is this a legit reshove?


        Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (350/700 blinds, 85 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11823902

        UTG+2: 11,338 (16.2 bb)
        MP1: 12,127 (17.3 bb)
        MP2: 6,556 (9.4 bb)
        MP3: 10,805 (15.4 bb)
        CO: 16,323 (23.3 bb)
        BTN: 11,489 (16.4 bb)
        Hero (SB): 12,433 (17.8 bb)
        BB: 10,343 (14.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 6
        2 folds, MP2 raises to 6,471 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero raises to 12,348 and is all-in, BB folds

        Flop: (14,322) 3 A T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        Turn: (14,322) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: (14,322) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

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        thanks guys input on all hands will be great
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        Old 02-09-2012, 01:34 AM   #2
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        Re: line check...109 bubble play

        Hand 1) get this in 100% of the time
        Hand 2) if we are 2 spots off the money fold
        Hand 3) probably fine unless villain was an absolute nit, we can still get in the money pretty easy it seems with losing this hand
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        Old 02-09-2012, 01:57 AM   #3
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        Re: line check...109 bubble play

        1- shove always

        2- fold always( if we are so close to the money the fold is even more clear)

        3- depends of the times the villain shoved in the earlier hands but i think most of the times its oki to re shove.

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        Old 02-09-2012, 03:04 AM   #4
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        Re: line check...109 bubble play

        sorry second hand we just peirced the bubble and was dealt A6 off early position....

        going back to the first hand, with pocket tens lets say BB calls us all day... doesnt ICM say this is a clear fold through hyper aggressive big stack? for instance Big stack opeing about 40% of his range yet stove says were about 67 percent to win. over that range?

        I dont know if this is a clear shove, even if big stack folds SOME of the time. still think its bad to get it in 2 from the money..



        equity win tie pots won pots tied

        Hand 0: 32.151% 31.77% 00.39% 268154426 3257538.00 { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T7s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, A2o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o }

        Hand 1: 67.849% 67.46% 00.39% 569496370 3257538.00 { TcTd }
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        Old 02-09-2012, 06:40 AM   #5
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        Re: line check...109 bubble play

        1) shove
        2) fold
        3) i think this is really close, but most likely reshoving if villain is LAG and folding if nitty

        P.S. he is not calling your shove with the range u stoved.

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        Old 02-09-2012, 10:06 AM   #6
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        Re: line check...109 bubble play

        You`d have straight in hand 2. Easy ship.
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        Old 02-09-2012, 03:36 PM   #7
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        Re: line check...109 bubble play

        I dont understand how you guys say hand 1 is easy ship? like my heads exploding right now...

        equity win tie pots won pots tied
        Hand 0: 63.610% 63.16% 00.45% 368779258 2635536.00 { TcTd }
        Hand 1: 36.390% 35.94% 00.45% 209845334 2635536.00 { 55+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }





        above is the stove of his calling range... I would say its a little more expansive then that, but regardless his open to 1600 would put the pot at 3500.. my shove over the top to of that would put the pot at 11,482. It would be 6382 back to monster stack so virtually no fold equity whatsoever as hes getting JUST shy of 2-1. so if he was competent at all (obv which he was because he was abusing the bubble) he would call me here super super super light. which is fine but isnt the more profitable play here would be to fold? as we secure cashes more often then double up which puts us in better opportunity to win tournaments?
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        Old 02-09-2012, 03:48 PM   #8
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        Re: line check...109 bubble play

        Wtf r u saying. who secures u a double up after folding. U got around 65% equity with good dead money u fkn have tt with 10 bb . Fk the bubble ship that shet 100%
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        Old 02-12-2012, 06:14 PM   #9
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        Re: line check...109 bubble play

        hand 1 is super ez shove come on folding here is insane.. 2 is easy fold and 3 is fine
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