His range can't have TT plus or 9x+ ure range can have plenty of 9s - unless he thinks / knows u check back 9s on the turn

Lol, some relational player made some marginal decisions and just wants to know he isn't a pussy for checking the river. The same way all recs (and pros until 2-3 years ago) always get result based fail-to-bluff remorse.

Thread is meh if we didn't have Scott going belligerent halfway through.

Would people pay extra for a wpt event like at bay101 where each table has someone **** all over you for being a recreational player? "scolding stars"?

Fwiw I change my mind, I would def bet river, I think betting 77 is a reasonable play OTR for value o I would bet a 40% pot and try and make it look like a thin vbet.

p2 dog is reading every thread that was nominated in the 2013 poty poll besides War challenge because that was not worthwhile. masque wins again by a landslide. sick bump, expect more.

bumping thread because i have a new take and sick response by scott

i really like how scott played this hand. he left you with an awful SPR OTT after his large cbet and could cap almost exactly your range with what you do on the next two streets

I think your're checking all 9x and 8x hands OTT, shoving all overpairs and 1/4 pot betting only bluffs, semi-bluffs and sets. if he thinks you'll bet bigger or shove OTT with bluffs your repping exactly 88. id check and give up also because scott should and would hero call any ace high, especially pairs, with you having so many more bluff combinations then sets

black kept asking for a range on V but no one answered. I have him with A6-A7, AT+, KJ+, 44-77 OTR but his range is hard to perceive as i have no idea what he 3bets 3x with pre. also surprised he didn't jam turn with the nut flush draw. was probably suspicious of you being setted

great hand to break down and read all your posts. I feel a better bluff line checks turn instead of bets it if anyone wants to discuss that

Thanks for the fresh eyes. I was actually just thinking of this hand last week. I just don't know what I rep here by checking this wet turn and shoving the river. What would my perceived range be at that point? I should be shoving all pairs I get to turn with on the turn no? Still not sure if he calls river with Ace High here. I feel like if he was ready to call off with it, he would just check shove turn himself, but I might be wrong.

Results?

Scot Siever didn't an Oscar for the second time in a row.

doubtful

Results on post #64. I checked back. he had AKcc. I get my aces cracked a few hands later and that was that

I'd release otf.

what range did u give scott when he 3bet btw?

someone was asking me about this hand the other day, so I thought I'd read the thread again. Never answered this question.

His 3 bet range was prolly somewhere in the high single-digit top end of his range..or so I thought at the time. (maybe ~around top 8%-9%)

So I figured I was less than a 2:1 dog vs that range, but getting more than 2.5:1 to call pre

Ultimately my turn bet was small because I didn't think he had check call range on that street (on that board, given that line)... but I made it too small, and gave too many hands odds the call (which his specific hand, it probably doesn't matter though)

Maybe 2013 was a different time, but I don't understand why we are calling preflop here. You have a very good player 3 betting you and you have a marginal hand. There are better spots than this. I am surprised that a lot of good players are saying this is an easy call preflop.

I think after he checks the turn, it is a good spot to ship it. As you said, is he going to be checking an overpair on the turn? I don't think there are a lot of rivers that give your hand credibility. Very awkward stack sizes

yeah definately fold pre

I'm surprised he didn't barrel the turn with overs and the nut flush draw.