Day 3. 115 people left, 63 people get paid. I just moved to a tough table, and see this ragga-muffin S. Siever again. He basically turned out my lights in the WSOP ME last summer when he caught a miracle river on a A37A9 runout and I couldn't release my A3s when he shoved over my river bet (he had A9 and took 80%+ of my stack). Today however, Siever is just coming off a hand where he got destroyed by a guy who was doing some terrible acting (which Siever shouldve realized)--who let Siever tripple barrel a A88hh flop, 5c turn, 9s river, before check shoving on him and making him look silly. That dropped his stack down 50% to about 120k, mine was 100k at 1000/2000/300

A couple hands after that....

I raise to 4200 in HJ with QJhh, he 3bets sb to 12400. I call

Flop 9d8h3c. He cbets 15k, I call.

Turn is 5c --now 2 clubs. He checks. Yeah I know I can check here, but I feel he has plenty of check/giveups here So I stab 16k, he calls after a lil pause.

River is another 9s.--he checks again...

I was honestly stumped as to what he had on the river. The S. Siever I know barrels his overpairs on turn, and would do same (or c/shove) with something like AKcc.

I got 50kish left vs a 90k pot. Empty the clip or give up???

Oh please save, the fold pre, fold flop, check turn comments. I know there are different ways to play this, all could be right/wrong based on moment-specific dynamics. I just want thoughts on AS PLAYED. Thx

What was your thought process of betting 16K into ~60K OTT? If I added it up right, you had about a PSB left on the turn. This sizing seems to have left you in an awkward river spot.

Oh yeah, fold flop.

yeah i had a lil over 70k on turn, pot was about 60k. I agree i couldve/shouldve sized differently earlier--but I really didn't think he had a c/call turn range so I didnt think it mattered much. I am trying to diagnose that given my line, how much of his bet-flop, check/call turn range folds on this river.

Don't know anything about his game besides he's a beast but most good players aren't check calling 16k and then folding that river for ~55k into ~90k so I'd check

Pre/flop are super standard. Turn and river are close and i am going to need to think about it for a bit longer, but if you are calling three bets on the tighter side preflop I think this is a hand you have to be bluffing with range wise otr.

Calling this big 3bet pre with QJ is "super std"?

cool hand. agree w/ turn assessment and sizing.

guess i put him on 66/77 or 8xs.

think your range w/ your line has few enough flop floats and enough value combos (assuming you're shoving TT) for you to credibly bluffshove the river. also, i assume he's barreling the turn w/ the semibluffs you beat, so you're winning a showdown ~never.

in game, i probably wouldn't expect him to fold 66.

Fold pre.

Are you worried at all that you may be leveling yourself here? Even from the little you have written about our villain, it is clear you have an emotional investment in taking pots off of him.

As played, the turn sizing makes the river weird, but your reasoning makes sense. I don't know what hands he calls your turn bet with that he doesn't also call the river bet.

haha this

"miracle river"

"he should have known the guy was acting"

"making him look silly"

Agree with everything u said Goliath. Including the emotional investment. Although in this hand, I will say he was reeling a bit from his previous hand and likely in no mood to hero call off the majority of his stack. And while I admittedly have a hard on for beating him, I wasn't gonna let myself go overboard.

Yes.

Haven't played with Scott in a while but if you look like you sound then jam flop over his c-bet.

Oh please tell me how I sound Ben, and what someone like that looks like..so I know what to do next time. First time in all your posts I've heard you say something idiotic.

If u want the answer 'as played' I check the river b/c of how you've played the rest of the hand.

Other than that fold pre and if u decide to see flop and peel than rip it all on the turn.

And more than anything what Bakes and Goliath said. When you go targeting certain plys you lose focus

When you start to target the best in the world than it is super dangerous

lol

I'll repeat, just because I wanted to beat him, doesn't mean I was willing to take some drastic -EV line to do it. Given the dynamics at that time, I felt calling twice pre and flop was fine and could induce plenty of giveups on that texture.

Don't you check behind most/all of your 1 pr hands on the turn?

No, not when I'm sure villain would not be checking overpairs. Id be confident I was ahead and would bet for value and protection. I can easily have something like 88-JJ here..and at this point I think any pair is ahead.

I think you should be checking turn or betting large enough that you commit yourself to the hand

I feel like he's going to have AQ/AK hi here a fair amount and occasionally inducing with a big hand. The 9 is one of the worst cards to continue on as he's almost always has showdown value and you don't rep that many value combos to begin with.

Do your really have JJ in your 3-bet flatting range? I would think you'd have more combos of KK or AA than JJ.

I was at this table.
Not that it makes a huge difference but that hand against the guy on your left was J88xx board (not A88) and he barreled QQ on all streets (guy had quads). If anything it bolsters your perception that he's betting an overpaid on the turn.
I agree that he seemed a little tilty after that hand, I'm still not sure if he doesn't hero you w 77 here. (I don't remember this hand and of he showed or not)

Doubt he's that easy to tilt.

Not tilty. Just relatively less likely to hero on his downslide.and fwiw it was definitely A88 flop on quads hand.cuz i folded an ace pre and was talking with guy next to me what ace-× combos he'd triple barrels there. Scott is super elite no doubt, but hands like that do impact ur variance/risk tolerance on soul reads.which is what this hand has the potential to do

im curious, why is it okay to defend versus a 3-bet? i have played almost no mtts in the past two years and for that matter not read too many hands and cant come up with a reason to call.
what do we assume villains 3-betting range and bluffing freq is? i have no idea how siever plays, but the way i see it, if he 3-bets something like kq,aj+ and 50% air it's going to be tough winning