I tried getting the converter to work - it didnt do **** though.

The two villains in hand are the only two i recognize at the table as regulars.

PokerStars Game #14207964014: Tournament #71075551, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2007/12/30 - 16:43:26 (ET)
Table '71075551 152' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Exitonly4 (9750 in chips)
Seat 2: Antonio7 (12260 in chips)
Seat 3: pairDboard21 (10465 in chips)
Seat 4: riverdave (10425 in chips)
Seat 5: fourply1 (9750 in chips)
Seat 6: gillete (8775 in chips)
Seat 7: PaNdaY (9900 in chips)
Seat 8: remen (9875 in chips)
Seat 9: Kastrupvej (8100 in chips)
Kastrupvej: posts small blind 25
Exitonly4: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Exitonly4 [Kd Kh]
Antonio7: folds
pairDboard21: raises 95 to 145
riverdave: raises 305 to 450
fourply1: folds
gillete: folds
PaNdaY: folds
remen: folds
Kastrupvej: folds
Exitonly4: calls 400
pairDboard21: calls 305
*** FLOP *** [2h Qd 8h]
Exitonly4: checks
pairDboard21: checks
riverdave: checks
*** TURN *** [2h Qd 8h] [5s]
Exitonly4: checks
pairDboard21: bets 600
riverdave: raises 600 to 1200
Exitonly4: folds

this feels gross so i'm posting it. is it alright?

jeez that sucks. fine i guess....i would prob bet the turn myself tho

Poker Stars $1000 $50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): t9750
Antonio7 (UTG): t12260
pairDboard21 (UTG+1): t10465
riverdave (UTG+2): t10425
fourply1 (MP1): t9750
gillete (MP2): t8775
PaNdaY (CO): t9900
remen (BTN): t9875
Kastrupvej (SB): t8100

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with K K
1 fold, pairDboard21 raises to t145, riverdave raises to t450, 5 folds, Hero calls t400, pairDboard21 calls t305

Flop: (t1375) 2 Q 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, pairDboard21 checks, riverdave checks

Turn: (t1375) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, pairDboard21 bets t600, riverdave raises to t1200, Hero folds

I don't like to check on the flop unless you were trying for a check raise. I would lead out here. If I tried the check raise and it didn't work then I'm leading on the turn.

I think you playing the hand so passive created a tougher decision for you here. The range of hands these guys can have here is pretty wide, and your concerns are with a set or AA. AA bets the flop here, a set could have checked but I'm not sure how far you can get in a tourney if you think your opponent hit a set every time you flop an over pair. I guess you can justify the fold but I don't ever want to put myself in this position. If I did though I think I would still call.

I think you have to do one of the following: re-raise pre-flop, lead the flop, lead the turn.

so your preferred line is to cold call a raise and a 3bet out of position and then lead the Qxx flop?

what is your plan if either of them raise when you randomly lead the flop?

seems really awful

reraising preflop = bad? Looking to get it all in.
I usually lead that turn though, it's a complete blank, and if it goes reraise, rereraise easy fold, plus I hate minraises so if pair flats and riverdave minreraises I flat, hoping to reeval the river.

I like this whole hand and think it's played perfectly [if you were looking to call/lead river or just CR the turn] but I'm king of the nits, obv

I guess I missed something along the way but I don't understand why re-raising pre-flop with the 2nd best hole hand is a bad play just because your OOP. And I also don't see why just giving up on an overpair with a not so scary board is the right play because your OOP.

I thought the plan is to give your opponent tough decisions, not yourself. Re-raising preflop and leading the flop gives them thm tough decisions. I think you take it down on the flop or crush a hand like AQ KQ in most cases here.

No one at any point said 4betting was a bad play. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you talking about the turn? Once again, not sure what you are referring to. But turn fold seems pretty solid.

So you think hands like AQ and KQ are calling cold 4bets?



Also, you failed to address any of my points when I replied to you. I asked you:

Why you like leading the flop after we coldcall a raise and reraise preflop.
What your plan is if you get raised after leading the flop.

I agree with Adanthar completely.

I agree with you about feeling gross though.

I probably lead the turn but as played fold is fine.

I like turn check after flop checks through def fold now to minraise.

what do you guys do against the 600 bet if the minraiser either calls or fold

call and lead river usually

I think cold calling pre gives away our hand just as much as 4 betting will, so I prefer to 4bet and try to get more chips in the pot.